Title: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 19, 2014, 22:10:12 From the First Great Western press release:
Quote Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium First Great Western (FGW) is delighted to announce five additional trains will be provided to help Wales fans return home from Cardiff^s Millennium Stadium this Friday [21 February], but are warning customers to allow plenty of time. With 74,000 fans expected to watch Wales take on France, train services will be busy prior to and after the match. FGW is to provide five additional trains, equating to almost 2,500 extra seats, as well as strengthening other services. FGW^s General Manager Central, Rob Mullen, said: "We are delighted to announce five additional trains will be provided to help Wales fans return from Cardiff^s Millennium Stadium, but customers are warned to allow plenty of time, as a queuing system will be in place to help customers board trains safely. Those travelling from further afield are also urged to check the time of the last service to ensure onward connections are not missed." Passengers not attending the match are advised to travel at a different period to avoid the crowds. Final connections along routes are as follows: ^ Weston/Taunton/Exeter ^ 22.04 ^ Bath/Westbury ^ 22.04 ^ Bristol Parkway/Swindon/Paddington ^ 21.25 ^ Bristol Temple Meads ^ 23.27 Real-time running information for First Great Western can be found at www.journeycheck.com/firstgreatwestern, or for further information or advice please visit www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: bobm on February 19, 2014, 22:30:03 The match is a 20:00 kick off so a final connection at 21:25 is not really going to help anyone.
With the crowds and queuing system I'd venture to suggest trains at 22:04 might be optimistic too. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 19, 2014, 22:35:55 Nevertheless, it was a good try by First Great Western. :P ::) ;D
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: JayMac on February 19, 2014, 22:49:47 And bobm's analysis of the train times has kicked into touch the announcement from FGW.
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Rhydgaled on February 20, 2014, 16:40:33 Do FirstGW declassify first class on the Paddington services for Millennium Stadium games?
And do ATW ever run extra services to S.W. Wales for rugby matches? I know they have the loco-hauled set come down from Holyhead but the only other extra I'm aware of is a shuttle from Cardiff to Newport. Seems a bit odd to run an extra from north Wales (where there is no rugby region team) but none to S.W. Wales. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Lee on February 20, 2014, 16:50:24 Yes, leaving a line out like that could prove a real game-changer...
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: John R on February 20, 2014, 19:56:45 Do FirstGW declassify first class on the Paddington services for Millennium Stadium games? Most games are on Sat or Sun, so why would FGW declassify it, when they can charge people a modest premium? Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: LiskeardRich on February 20, 2014, 20:37:55 From experience at the Millenium Stadium only the Bristol service is any use from those times, it will finish close to 21:45 and experiences say 10 mins out of the stadium, how far is it to walk to Central station 5-10 mins, plus the station queuing system, sounds like a waste of extra trains.
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Rhydgaled on February 20, 2014, 21:05:38 Do FirstGW declassify first class on the Paddington services for Millennium Stadium games? Most games are on Sat or Sun, so why would FGW declassify it, when they can charge people a modest premium? Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: John R on February 21, 2014, 08:39:33 Yes, of course they are. They are sitting in first class with a standard class ticket. Unless the Train Manager has announced a dispensation or they have sought and obtained individual permission to sit there, they are breaking the rules.
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Phil on February 21, 2014, 09:18:40 Showing my ignorance here I know, but nowhere in the press release is the sport being played by Wales and France mentioned. I'm guessing it's football, but presumably if it was schoolgirls' lacrosse (for example) there would be very different crowds and crowd behaviours involved?
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: John R on February 21, 2014, 09:54:14 Showing my ignorance here I know, but nowhere in the press release is the sport being played by Wales and France mentioned. I'm guessing it's football, but presumably if it was schoolgirls' lacrosse (for example) there would be very different crowds and crowd behaviours involved? Crowd would be much more unruly if it were schoolgirls' lacrosse. Rugby union crowds are impeccably behaved. In terms of not mentioning the sport involved, I would suggest there's a presumption that if the press release is likely to be relevance to passengers then they will know its a Six Nations rugby match. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: bobm on February 21, 2014, 10:08:32 The problem is, with the train times quoted, I am struggling to see what relevance it is to any sporting fixture tonight.
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Phil on February 21, 2014, 11:10:57 In terms of not mentioning the sport involved, I would suggest there's a presumption that if the press release is likely to be relevance to passengers then they will know its a Six Nations rugby match. I respectfully disagree with my learned friend. If you're writing a press release aimed at all potential rail travellers, I think it's a very grave mistake to assume that everybody that is travelling on that day knows what typically takes place at any particular venue in any location, or indeed what sport is likely to be played on any given day. Not everyone avidly follows the news; and a minority of those who do keep up with the sports pages. A surprising number of people spend their lives entirely inside in their own little bubbles of interest and take absolutely no notice of what's happening around them. They might associate Chelsea only with flowers and red suited pensioners for example, and be very surprised to visit one Saturday and see hordes of drunks waving blue and white scarves. People arriving in the UK from further abroad (i.e. not France) could easily be forgiven for having no idea how big the "Millenium Stadium" is or indeed what happens there. Sorry, but I think for the sake of a few words and a bit of consideration for others, this press release (and many more like it sad to say) falls well short of being useful. /sugarinput=on /irrationalrant=off Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: John R on February 21, 2014, 12:13:49 But if you're not a fan, does it matter what sport it is? The only point of relevance for non-fans is the line that advices you to travel at a different period to avoid the crowds. And it does say that 74,000 fans are expected, so that does give a pretty good idea of the scale of the event, and the likely impact on services.
However, I agree that the press release is deficient in that, having told you to travel at a different time, it doesn't actually tell you what time the match is. Would have been much better to say that "trains arriving into Cardiff between 4pm and 8pm are likely to be very busy, and again leaving Cardiff after 9.30pm". And it's totally deficient in that it hasn't told you what the extra trains are (and this is of interest to me, as I am going). It would have been much better for the press release to say "Passengers for stations between Swindon and London should note that the last train leaves before the end of the match, as we can't be a**ed to lay on any extra services to get you home." Of course the real fault lies with the WRU for agreeing to Friday night matches. Fans hate them because of the travel problems it causes, and having made a somewhat disparaging comment above about FGW, I do appreciate that there are lots of operational factors that might limit their ability to put on any extra services. But fans will probably take the view I put, unless it's explained to them why it can't be done. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: bobm on February 21, 2014, 12:18:04 Of course the real fault lies with the WRU for agreeing to Friday night matches. Fans hate them because of the travel problems it causes, and having made a somewhat disparaging comment above about FGW, I do appreciate that there are lots of operational factors that might limit their ability to put on any extra services. But fans will probably take the view I put, unless it's explained to them why it can't be done. Going to be worse next year - Wales v England is scheduled for Friday 6th Feb 2015, kick off at 20:05. Comes down to TV I'm afraid. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: LiskeardRich on February 21, 2014, 12:21:18 Of course the real fault lies with the WRU for agreeing to Friday night matches. Fans hate them because of the travel problems it causes, and having made a somewhat disparaging comment above about FGW, I do appreciate that there are lots of operational factors that might limit their ability to put on any extra services. But fans will probably take the view I put, unless it's explained to them why it can't be done. Going to be worse next year - Wales v England is scheduled for Friday 6th Feb 2015, kick off at 20:05. Comes down to TV I'm afraid. My wife is unimpressed - they've ditched her beloved Eastenders tonight for the rugby! Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: bobm on February 21, 2014, 12:28:11 BBC One Wales has ditched the One Show, so only the rest of the BBC Nations have to endure it before joining the rugby just before kick off. ;D
PS She did have an hour of Walford last night.... Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 21, 2014, 22:00:26 ... and the full-time result (for those followers of the rugby union game here on the Coffee Shop forum ;) ) after 80 minutes was Wales 27 - 6 France. ;D
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: LiskeardRich on February 21, 2014, 22:02:40 The match finished at 2152, pretty much deeming the extras useless based on the last timings quoted
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: bobm on February 21, 2014, 22:07:48 I agree - I am really not sure what the thinking was.
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 21, 2014, 22:10:53 From the BBC:
Quote 21 February 2014 Last updated at 21:57 Wales v France: Rugby fans urged to follow travel advice (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73120000/jpg/_73120331_rugbypa.jpg) Wales faced France in a late kick-off in the Six Nations championship on Friday Rugby fans gathering in Cardiff for Wales' clash with France were urged to follow travel advice. More than 73,000 fans packed the Millennium Stadium for Friday's Six Nations game with many travelling by train. Arriva Trains Wales said there would only be a limited number of additional services from 22:30 GMT. Supporters were advised to use public transport where possible to get to and from the game, which Wales won 27-6. There were reports of seven miles of stop-start traffic on the M4 westbound near Newport between junctions 23 and 25A in the early evening ahead of the 20:00 GMT kick-off. First Great Western said the queuing system for its five extra trains meant people should allow extra time. For those travelling by car, a park and ride service was operating from Cardiff City Football Club in Leckwith. The park and ride was signposted from junction 33 (Cardiff West) of the westbound M4. The drop-off and pick-up point for the park and ride was Tresillian Way North, at the rear of the Cardiff Central railway station. A number of roads were being closed around the city centre from 18:00 to 23:00 GMT: Kingsway from its junction with North Road/Boulevard de Nantes to its junction with Duke Street Cowbridge Road East from its junction with Cathedral Road to its junction with Westgate Street Tudor Street from its junction with Clare Road to its junction with Wood Street (access for residents and traders will be permitted via Fitzhammon Embankment) Plantagenet Street and Beauchamp Street from their junctions with Despenser Place to their junctions with Tudor Street (access for residents and traders will be permitted) Heavy traffic on the M4 heading into Newport Heavy traffic on the M4 heading into Newport on Friday before the game Some roads were being fully closed between those times: Duke Street, Castle Street, High Street, St Mary Street, Caroline Street, Wood Street, Central Square, Westgate Street, Quay Street, Guildhall Place, Golate, Park Street, Havelock Street and Scott Road. Arriva Trains Wales said it would be providing extra train services and additional seating capacity where possible, but it expected its services to be "extremely busy" before and after the match. A spokesperson said: "Customers are advised to ensure they make their way to Cardiff Central Station with plenty of time to catch services advertised in the normal timetable as only a limited number of additional services will be provided beyond 22:30. Seats will be allocated on a first-come first-served basis. If passengers are not attending the match, we would strongly recommend they travel at a different time to avoid the crowds." Cardiff Queen Street station will be closed after 21:15. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: JayMac on February 21, 2014, 22:26:17 "Supporters were urged to make use of public transport."
And Arriva Trains Wales closed one of the main stations in Cardiff an 2115. ::) Why not spread the load instead of directing everyone to Cardiff Central? Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: John R on February 21, 2014, 23:43:06 "Supporters were urged to make use of public transport." That's been established procedure since the current arrangements were put in place when the stadium was built. Queen St is too small to take the volume of passengers, and because the same platforms are used for all valleys services at both Central and Queen St, it would be tricky to prevent passengers trying to buck the system by going to the "wrong station". So better to have all the crowd control concentrated in one location, which is also nearer the stadium.And Arriva Trains Wales closed one of the main stations in Cardiff an 2115. ::) Why not spread the load instead of directing everyone to Cardiff Central? It's possible that once the additional northbound platform becomes operational at Queen St that policy might be revisited. Though they may take the view that "if it ain't broke, don't try and fix it." Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: John R on February 21, 2014, 23:47:40 The match finished at 2152, pretty much deeming the extras useless based on the last timings quoted And more than a couple of very disgruntled passengers at the station tonight on discovering the last train for London left 30 minutes before the final whistle. The couple next to me had travelled by car from Reading as there was no other option. Ironically ATW had built the queues as normal, but left the overhead signage on what is normally the London queue blank. A pretty poor show by FGW in my opinion, what with timing additional trains before the match was due to end and not making any effort whatsoever on the London route. Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: jdw.wor on February 22, 2014, 10:42:32 Does anyone know if FGW have explained why they thought it worth providing mainly useless additional trains. I would be intersted to know what the loadings on the 2125 London train were leaving Cardiff
Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: basset44 on February 22, 2014, 12:04:03 Hi All,
Next year its Wales v England on the Friday kick off 20.05 is this not plenty of time for FGW to know or is it just to expensive to run extra trains? Basset Title: Re: Additional trains for Wales v France at the Millennium Stadium - 21 Feb 2014 Post by: Alan Pettitt on February 22, 2014, 16:30:07 They ran the extra trains this year, so expense doesn't seem to come into it, they just didn't wait for us to get from the match to the station before they departed.
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