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Title: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: insider on January 29, 2014, 16:28:04
Just a reminder, that a new service runs from Next Week

Paddington to Reading at 20:18, calling Maidenhead, Twyford & Reading. Service is booked to be formed of a 5 car turbo (FX) and 3 car (FO). And for those who like to know diagrams, this is where it comes from.

165/5 (FSX) 165/3 (FO)
   ED from Old Oak      
   Paddingtn   (17+58)   18.12   1H52  24713 DOO

   Slough   18.35   18.37   1H52  24713 DOO
   Maidnhead   18.48   18.49
   Twyford   18.58   18.59   1H52  24713 DOO
   Wargrave   19.03   19.04
   Shiplake   19.06   19.07
   Henley   19.11   

   Henley      19.18   2H53  76870 DOO

   Shiplake   19.22   19.22
   Wargrave   19.25   19.25
   Twyford   19.30   

   Twyford      19+33   3P10  46640 DOO

   Paddingtn   20+09   

   Paddingtn      20.18   1R10  44345 DOO

   Maidnhead   20.39   20.40
   Twyford   20.47   20.48
   Reading   21.00   

In other words it comes empty stock from Twyford after it does the 18:12 Pad to Henley service, before it goes to Reading Depot.

Also a reminder that there are various timing changes to services, as a new dated timetable comes into force from next week as well!!!




Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Timmer on January 29, 2014, 17:31:44
Also a reminder that there are various timing changes to services, as a new dated timetable comes into force from next week as well!!!
Indeed, here is a link to the new London-Reading Local services timetable:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/~/media/PDF/TicketsAndTrainTimes/TrainTimes/December%202013%20Timetables/TTE01_Web_Amended_070114_V1.ashx


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on January 29, 2014, 21:09:56
Wow.. that is more than a reminder.. that is news to me.. but good news.. Was it advertised anywhere I wonder?


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: insider on January 29, 2014, 21:47:45
Yes actually, there is a poster on Reading Concourse, by main exit and also on plat 4/5 at Maidenhead...not sure abut Twyford and Paddington...

it is also in the timetable that starts next week....


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on January 29, 2014, 22:07:48
I shall have a look for that poster at Maidenhead tomorrow morning then and report back (not seen it yet).. Paper timetable aside which is dying out, I looked on FGW sites for an advert once I read this tonight.. No sign of any advertising I could find.. Which is why I was wondering why it was a "reminder" on here..


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: NickB on January 30, 2014, 09:11:17
This is great news!!  I'd go so far as to say the first great news that I've ever had from FGW.
The significance to Maidenhead commuters is huge as it means the final (pre-pub kickout) direct train is now 20:18 rather than 19:48.



Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: argg on January 30, 2014, 13:06:07
Out of interest, does the diagram change on Fridays?

The 18.12 is typically 3 car on a Friday (and therefore overcrowded to Slough)

Will the new service similarly be 3 car on a Friday


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: autotank on January 30, 2014, 15:22:41
This is good news indeed! I look forward to using the new service.

Do you know what prevents them making the 1918 from Henley run as a passenger service to Paddington? Whilst I don't think it would be that popular it would be useful for some and direct trains help persuade non-rail users give it a try! I assume NR charge less per mile for an ECS move than a train in service?


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: ChrisB on January 30, 2014, 15:29:58
Not sure - but there's no station charges for sure.

Probably to get it back to PAD as quickly as possible


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: autotank on January 30, 2014, 15:30:35
Just noticed the 2018 connects with a Henley service saving 16 minutes (you used to have to catch the 1957) - a great improvement!


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: bobm on January 30, 2014, 15:47:10
This is good news indeed! I look forward to using the new service.

Do you know what prevents them making the 1918 from Henley run as a passenger service to Paddington? Whilst I don't think it would be that popular it would be useful for some and direct trains help persuade non-rail users give it a try! I assume NR charge less per mile for an ECS move than a train in service?

I don't know but I would suggest with its non stop timings it only has a nine minute turn round at Paddington after running up the main from Slough.  Therefore adding stops would slow it down and possibly risk losing its path on the main and make a right time departure back from London more problematic.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: autotank on January 30, 2014, 16:09:15
Not bothered if it doesn't stop anywhere between Twyford and London! In fact as a new Twyford resident who occasionally does night shifts I'd positively welcome it. Not having to go along all the carriages turfing people out and locking the doors at Twford would reduce platform dwell time and potentially get it to London quicker!

There must be some sort of financial reason but I'll suggest it to FGW once the 2018 has settled down a bit.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: insider on January 30, 2014, 16:21:11
I shall have a look for that poster at Maidenhead tomorrow morning then and report back (not seen it yet).. Paper timetable aside which is dying out, I looked on FGW sites for an advert once I read this tonight.. No sign of any advertising I could find.. Which is why I was wondering why it was a "reminder" on here..

The advertising is called a timetable....the information is made available to all freely, I think they just put posters up as an extra....might have something to do with that the person who does all FGW posters lives in the Twyford / Henley area???


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: insider on January 30, 2014, 16:27:12
Out of interest, does the diagram change on Fridays?

The 18.12 is typically 3 car on a Friday (and therefore overcrowded to Slough)

Will the new service similarly be 3 car on a Friday

Just checked and unfortunately you are correct, this service continues to be formed of 3 car on a Friday.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on January 30, 2014, 20:29:31
I shall have a look for that poster at Maidenhead tomorrow morning then and report back (not seen it yet).. Paper timetable aside which is dying out, I looked on FGW sites for an advert once I read this tonight.. No sign of any advertising I could find.. Which is why I was wondering why it was a "reminder" on here..

The advertising is called a timetable....the information is made available to all freely, I think they just put posters up as an extra....might have something to do with that the person who does all FGW posters lives in the Twyford / Henley area???

I think the definition of advertising is something different to a printed timetable which less and less people these days pick up. A quick google search suggests that advertising is "The activity of attracting public attention to a product or business"..   ::) :P


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 30, 2014, 20:54:58
Not bothered if it doesn't stop anywhere between Twyford and London! In fact as a new Twyford resident who occasionally does night shifts I'd positively welcome it. Not having to go along all the carriages turfing people out and locking the doors at Twford would reduce platform dwell time and potentially get it to London quicker!

There must be some sort of financial reason but I'll suggest it to FGW once the 2018 has settled down a bit.

Yes, that's what I'd do.  Good news on the extra service.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on January 30, 2014, 21:32:37
This is great news!!  I'd go so far as to say the first great news that I've ever had from FGW.
The significance to Maidenhead commuters is huge as it means the final (pre-pub kickout) direct train is now 20:18 rather than 19:48.



I agree NickB.. What worries me is the lack of "advertising" means that it may not get used too much at the start and may well then be withdrawn due to....erm....lack of use...


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 30, 2014, 22:30:40
It's an ideal chance to splash some posters up at Maidenhead and Twyford advertising the good news.  Hopefully that has/will happen!


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: ChrisB on January 31, 2014, 09:56:19
Not bothered if it doesn't stop anywhere between Twyford and London! In fact as a new Twyford resident who occasionally does night shifts I'd positively welcome it. Not having to go along all the carriages turfing people out and locking the doors at Twford would reduce platform dwell time and potentially get it to London quicker!

There must be some sort of financial reason but I'll suggest it to FGW once the 2018 has settled down a bit.

Already done - and this was the answer....
Quote
At this stage there is some doubt as to where the ECS will come from in the longer term, so at this point I intend to wait until this is clearer, rather than introduce a service that has to be amended / removed.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 31, 2014, 15:10:44
Already done - and this was the answer....
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At this stage there is some doubt as to where the ECS will come from in the longer term, so at this point I intend to wait until this is clearer, rather than introduce a service that has to be amended / removed.

Many thanks for posting that information, ChrisB.

Are you able to tell us who made that decision, and when?


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: BBM on January 31, 2014, 15:47:56
It's an ideal chance to splash some posters up at Maidenhead and Twyford advertising the good news.  Hopefully that has/will happen!

There's one in the ticket hall at Twyford but it's on a mobile stand next to the wall just to the right of the entrance doors from the forecourt. It's only really noticeable if you leave through the same doors.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 31, 2014, 15:59:48
From an e-mail press release I have just received from the First Great Western press office, sent within the last hour:

Quote
Friday 31 January

Press call: Theresa May MP to launch additional train service
When: Monday 3 February, 19.45
Where: Paddington Station

Theresa May to launch additional train service

Rt Hon Theresa May MP for Maidenhead is to launch a new First Great Western train service from London Paddington on Monday 3 February.

The Monday to Friday 20.18 service will offer an extra 413 seats a day to customers travelling out of the capital directly to Maidenhead (20.40), Twyford (20.48) and Reading (20.59).

Welcoming Mrs May, First Great Western^s Deputy Managing Director Andy Mellors said: ^I am very pleased that we have been able to provide this additional train, our customers have told us they need more evening services. Today^s launch shows our commitment to securing further improvements, and we will continue to work with the DfT to provide the additional capacity we know our customers want.^

Mrs May said: ^I am very pleased to welcome this new FGW service, which is a boost for commuters in Maidenhead, Twyford and Reading. This is excellent news for all those who have felt that we needed an additional evening service out of Paddington. This is part of the work to increase capacity on the line, and I look forward to further improvements to come.^

To mark the improvement Mrs May will wave out the service, with a dispatcher^s green flag in hand, from London Paddington^s Platform 1 at 20.18. 

The direct Maidenhead, Twyford and Reading service will be formed of a five car train Monday to Thursday, an increase in capacity of 32% (between 20.00 and 21.00) and a three car train on Friday, increasing capacity by 19% (between 20.00 and 21.00). Two carriages are already committed to other strengthened Friday services.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: NickB on January 31, 2014, 17:40:10
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I agree NickB.. What worries me is the lack of "advertising" means that it may not get used too much at the start and may well then be withdrawn due to....erm....lack of use...

Well quite, particularly as M'head commuters know they HAVE to make it to Paddington for the 19:48 so are unlikely to discover this service by accident.




Edit note: Quote marks amended, for clarity. CfN.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: grahame on January 31, 2014, 17:55:19
Quote
I agree NickB.. What worries me is the lack of "advertising" means that it may not get used too much at the start and may well then be withdrawn due to....erm....lack of use...
Well quite, particularly as M'head commuters know they HAVE to make it to Paddington for the 19:48 so are unlikely to discover this service by accident.

I suspect with a launch from Ms May a fair chunk of publicity will be generated.

Let me give you another idea too.   

We had a very similar issue here in deepest rural urban Wiltshire - new trains which you might only have heard about if you were at the station at the time they happened to be run.  With the problem that no-one was likely to be at the station at anytime between 07:15 and 19:15 which were the only old times.  We are well on the way to overcoming this ... with the community working with the council and First Great Western to help inform people.

Is there a service support / rail user group involved around?  If so, great - work with them.  If not, perhaps it's time you formed one. And take a positive approach and ask if you can talk to people on a train or two - perhaps on that 19:48 for a few days - and hand out flyers.  You're helping FGW, you're helping retain the service.  If there's an established group with a good working relationship, excellent;  if not, it does take time to build up the relationships needed, but it can be a real win-win ... and for other stages beyond, other service changes, feedback, etc ...



Edit note: I agree with everything grahame has posted here - and, as his typing was apparently affected by his passion, I've merely corrected a few of his trademark typos, purely in the interests of clarity. CfN.  ::) ;D


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 31, 2014, 18:20:26
Is there a service support / rail user group involved around?  If so, great - work with them. 

There's the Maidenhead to Marlow Passengers' Association at http://www.mmpa.org.uk/index.html (http://www.mmpa.org.uk/index.html)

They've noted the additional train on their website, but perhaps haven't given it quite the exposure they might.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on January 31, 2014, 18:51:27
Quote
I agree NickB.. What worries me is the lack of "advertising" means that it may not get used too much at the start and may well then be withdrawn due to....erm....lack of use...
Well quite, particularly as M'head commuters know they HAVE to make it to Paddington for the 19:48 so are unlikely to discover this service by accident.

I suspect with a launch from Ms May a fair chunk of publicity will be generated.

Let me give you another idea too.   

We had a very similar issue here in deepest rural urban Wiltshire - new trains which you might only have heard about if you were at the station at the time they happened to be run.  With the problem that no-one was likely to be at the station at anytime between 07:15 and 19:15 which were the only old times.  We are well on the way to overcoming this ... with the community working with the council and First Great Western to help inform people.

Is there a service support / rail user group involved around?  If so, great - work with them.  If not, perhaps it's time you formed one. And take a positive approach and ask if you can talk to people on a train or two - perhaps on that 19:48 for a few days - and hand out flyers.  You're helping FGW, you're helping retain the service.  If there's an established group with a good working relationship, excellent;  if not, it does take time to build up the relationships needed, but it can be a real win-win ... and for other stages beyond, other service changes, feedback, etc ...



Edit note: I agree with everything grahame has posted here - and, as his typing was apparently affected by his passion, I've merely corrected a few of his trademark typos, purely in the interests of clarity. CfN.  ::) ;D

Thanks for the ideas Grahame.. It could be that we don't need to after Monday.. We'll see.. There are very few current fast trains to Maidenhead however where it's possible to give out flyers etc as you can't get through (or even sometimes onto the train) due to the overcrowding..

And I agree NickB.. Had I not known from here and had turned up one day and just missed the 19.48, I'd have got on the next stopping service without even realising there was another option (I've been commuting too many years and any changes before have been advertised). It really is a step forward though so all good.. (with apologies for overquoting previous comments before I'm asked not to :P ::))


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 31, 2014, 19:17:47
.. (with apologies for overquoting previous comments before I'm asked not to :P ::))

I wouldn't dare to do so.  :o ::) :-[


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on January 31, 2014, 20:24:03
.. (with apologies for overquoting previous comments before I'm asked not to :P ::))

I wouldn't dare to do so.  :o ::) :-[

 ;D


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: grahame on February 01, 2014, 10:55:47
We'll see.. There are very few current fast trains to Maidenhead however where it's possible to give out flyers etc as you can't get through (or even sometimes onto the train) due to the overcrowding..

Yeah ... we had one or two of those in the first week in December when we were telling people on existing trains about new ones!

If it looks likes it would be a good idea a few days in ... lateral thinking, can you hand people flyers as they come off the platform ...


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: autotank on February 01, 2014, 11:13:23
I think the service will fill up pretty quickly due to the large flows to Maidenhead and Twyford. Quite a lot of people use their phones or the internet these days to check train times which is probably the best form of advertising. Also lots of people will see the train on the boards at Paddington and make the switch from a stopper. Might be quietish for the first few weeks, but word will spread quickly!


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: NickB on February 03, 2014, 09:03:12

Minor gripe/question:

Don't get me wrong this new service will be very helpful, but it does nothing to alleviate the huge gap in Maidenhead services at "actual" peak time.  There are still no services between 18:18 and 19.05.  This means that the 18:18 is 95% Maidenhead passengers, and the 19:05 is a Henley service and we all know how popular they are.
Note: there did used to be an 18:35 direct HST but that got canned in 2010 in favour of a stopping Turbo.

So.... with this in mind, how do we go about requesting a direct service during this gap that will be used everyday by hundreds of passengers, and relieve the stress and strain of these other two rammed services?


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Network SouthEast on February 03, 2014, 09:37:13
What's wrong with the 18:42 to Bourne End then?


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: NickB on February 03, 2014, 11:52:34
What's wrong with the 18:42 to Bourne End then?

It takes 40mins, on a good day.  It stops at Slough and so is full of people wanting to go direct to Slough as there are few services doing that.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: ChrisB on February 03, 2014, 12:03:46
Already done - and this was the answer....
Quote
At this stage there is some doubt as to where the ECS will come from in the longer term, so at this point I intend to wait until this is clearer, rather than introduce a service that has to be amended / removed.

Many thanks for posting that information, ChrisB.

Are you able to tell us who made that decision, and when?

The Acting Head of Train Planning - not sure *when*, but the response was to asking after the suggestion was made on here


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 03, 2014, 18:14:33
Thanks for providing that additional information, ChrisB: I merely wondered how 'official' (and how recent) that particular view might be - and it seems to be both.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: bobm on February 03, 2014, 23:07:31
Well the service was launched with due ceremony on Platform 1 at Paddington this evening.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/2018pad.jpg)
L to R Andy Mellors, FGW; The Rt Hon Theresa May MP; Paul Briggs, Thames Valley Chamber of Commerce

I didn't have the chance to count the number of people on board, but there were a goodly number in each of the five coaches.  Ms May - who is the MP for Maidenhead as well as Home Secretary - did virtually despatch the train herself.  Although being a driver operated service her green flag signalled a member of platform staff to press the CD button to get the driver to close the doors!


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Ollie on February 03, 2014, 23:11:32
Great photo Bob :)


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: bobm on February 03, 2014, 23:15:11
Thanks - and without using flash on a railway platform!  ;)


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: James on February 14, 2014, 16:05:40
A new train service hey, i hope it lasts  ;D


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: autotank on March 06, 2014, 08:07:13
I used this new service on Tuesday - a 2 car would have coped with the number of passengers, lets hope word spreads and so does usage over the coming weeks. Still early days.


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on March 06, 2014, 08:33:30
I used this new service on Tuesday - a 2 car would have coped with the number of passengers, lets hope word spreads and so does usage over the coming weeks. Still early days.

Indeed.. I have had a very good look around at Maidenhead and there is nothing promoting it. It'll end up being removed due to lack of use if we're not careful.. I was actually intending to get it last night as I was meeting my daughter but we made the 19.48 just.. And that was a very strange train.. 8 coach HST.. not that strange yet.. except that coach B was standard class but made up of a First class carriage with the First class head rest covers removed but branded First class other than that.. Even after the train manager announced it was ok for standard class ticket holders to sit in there, very few did.. weird but a nice journey for us as we had most of the carriage to ourselves ::)


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Network SouthEast on March 06, 2014, 14:46:34
And that was a very strange train.. 8 coach HST.. not that strange yet.. except that coach B was standard class but made up of a First class carriage with the First class head rest covers removed but branded First class other than that.. Even after the train manager announced it was ok for standard class ticket holders to sit in there, very few did.. weird but a nice journey for us as we had most of the carriage to ourselves ::)

You did well if it was an 8 car, as that particular set (the one with the Singapore Airlines advert on the power car) had been 7 car until recently (with the 1st coach B)!


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: johoare on March 06, 2014, 16:34:05
And that was a very strange train.. 8 coach HST.. not that strange yet.. except that coach B was standard class but made up of a First class carriage with the First class head rest covers removed but branded First class other than that.. Even after the train manager announced it was ok for standard class ticket holders to sit in there, very few did.. weird but a nice journey for us as we had most of the carriage to ourselves ::)

You did well if it was an 8 car, as that particular set (the one with the Singapore Airlines advert on the power car) had been 7 car until recently (with the 1st coach B)!

I didn't see the power car but imagine it's the same train.. But yes definitely a coach A as well yesterday (or there were a lot of people who ended up with the driver  ::)


Title: Re: New Train Service 20:18 Pad to Reading and other timing changes
Post by: Network SouthEast on March 06, 2014, 16:53:02
I didn't see the power car but imagine it's the same train.. But yes definitely a coach A as well yesterday (or there were a lot of people who ended up with the driver  ::)

Sorry Jo, I meant the coach B was the declassified 1st class one, there was still a coach A.  :)



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