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Title: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 01, 2013, 12:38:22 Looks as though its another bad day on the Devon and Cornwall banks (Sunday 01 December 2013). Quite a lot of trains up to two hours late. Looks as though the Rail Head Treatment train didn't run for some reason.........
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 01, 2013, 12:55:07 ...and there was this interesting statement explaining one cancellation at Plymouth...
"This service was cancelled between Plymouth and Berwick-upon-Tweed due to it being Autumn." ::) :P ....well technically today is Winter...... ;) Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 01, 2013, 13:53:48 Hmm. Technically, winter doesn't start until 21 December. ;)
From First Great Western JourneyCheck, earlier today: Quote Delays to services between Totnes and Lostwithiel Owing to poor rail conditions between Totnes and Lostwithiel all lines are affected. Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 75 mins at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. Message Received: 01/12/2013 12:15 Quote Cancellations to services between Penzance and Exeter St Davids Owing to poor rail conditions between Penzance and Exeter St Davids all lines are affected. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 90 mins at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. Message Received: 01/12/2013 12:58 Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 01, 2013, 14:43:11 Hmm. Technically, winter doesn't start until 21 December. ;) ...well that depends on whether you use the Meteorological calender or the Astronomical calender ;) ;) http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/learn-about-the-weather/how-weather-works/when-does-winter-start I claim I was using the former ::) Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 01, 2013, 15:12:45 ... and I'm not disagreeing with you, SandTEngineer - I'm merely offering an alternative technical view! ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: bobm on December 01, 2013, 15:14:48 What is for certain is that passengers on the 08:35 from Penzance are set to arrive in London two hours late after an eight hour journey.
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 01, 2013, 15:22:27 However, things are generally improving:
Quote Trains now running normally between Penzance and Exeter St Davids Following poor rail conditions earlier between Penzance and Exeter St Davids: Train services running to and from these stations are running normally. Message Received: 01/12/2013 15:10 ... except on the St Ives branch, unfortunately: Quote Cancellations to services between St Erth and St Ives Owing to a broken down train between St Erth and St Ives all lines are blocked. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. First Devon & Cornwall Buses 17/17A & 17B Penzance - St Erth - Lelant - Carbis Bay - St Ives services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for First Great Western rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. Message Received: 01/12/2013 15:07 Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 01, 2013, 15:32:09 What is for certain is that passengers on the 08:35 from Penzance are set to arrive in London two hours late after an eight hour journey. Well it got diverted non-stop from Exeter St.Davids via Bristol TM to the scheduled stop at Swindon and has made up 20 mins so now only 1 hour 40 mins late ::)Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: LiskeardRich on December 01, 2013, 15:36:02 When I was at Redruth yesterday morning, everything was delayed. I turned up to catch the 1126 from Redruth to Truro at 1120 and caught the previous service. The 1126 was the only service showing on time, however this was an impossibility due to the large signalling blocks in Cornwall, the service I caught left Redruth at 1121.
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 01, 2013, 15:38:05 Lets hope the Rail Head Treatment Train runs tomorrow morning: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H15378/2013/12/02/advanced
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: bobm on December 01, 2013, 16:08:46 They run some pretty impressive distances over varying routes those trains. Do they have to pick up further supplies of water en route?
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: LiskeardRich on December 01, 2013, 16:40:31 Local travel news giving:
Quote Disruption on First Great Western between St Erth and St Ives (Cornwall) due to broken down train at Lelant Saltings. Tickets being accepted on First Devon & Cornwall Buses 17/17A & 17B Penzance - St Erth - Lelant - Carbis Bay - St Ives services. The line is currently blocked by a broken down train. First Great Western do not have an estimate for when a normal service will resume Sounds a little too integrated for a bus to accept a train ticket ::) Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: The Tall Controller on December 01, 2013, 18:20:07 Was at Parkway today. 0957 left 12 late from me and got stuck just a couple of miles away. Eventually got to Liskeard 118 mins late. Spent the next 3 hours playing catch-up with delays, inquiries, refunds, tickets ect.
Was a very crazy morning/afternoon but I must thank the Lostwithiel signaller for his work keeping me updated with proceedings so I didn't have too many angry customers! Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 01, 2013, 18:23:27 They run some pretty impressive distances over varying routes those trains. Do they have to pick up further supplies of water en route? They appear to carry enough in my opinion: http://2e0mca.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/a-year-on-track/10345829784_04c3bebe41_z/ Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: ChrisB on December 01, 2013, 19:42:07 Technically, winter starts December 21 - meteorlogically, it started today.
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 04, 2013, 20:18:03 From National Rail
Quote Delays between Plymouth and Newton Abbot until further notice Live updates: 04/12/2013 18:40 Route affected CrossCountry: between Plymouth and Leeds First Great Western: between Penzance and London Paddington and also Plymouth and Exeter St Davids Poor rail conditions near Plymouth are causing delays of up to 60 minutes to trains between Plymouth and Newton Abbot. Here we go again................ ::) :P Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: GBM on December 05, 2013, 07:16:13 First Devon & Cornwall Buses 17/17A & 17B Penzance - St Erth - Lelant - Carbis Bay - St Ives services.
All Penzance - St Ives services became 17 (A & B removed) w.e.f 3rd November 2013. Suspect there will be an A service in May 2014 to run via the St Ives Holiday Village. However, in the winter timetable there is only a 17. Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 05, 2013, 21:42:43 ...this is begining to sound like a stuck record....
From First Great Western Journey Check Quote Cancellations to services between Newton Abbot and Totnes Owing to poor rail conditions between Newton Abbot and Totnes trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines. Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 150 mins or revised at short notice. An estimate for the resumption of normal services will be provided as soon as the problem has been fully assessed. Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: bobm on December 05, 2013, 21:47:27 Is it worse than previous years or have I just missed it?
I note the 16:06 from London Paddington to Penzance is over two hours late approaching Plymouth having missed the Totnes and Ivybridge calls. Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: LiskeardRich on December 05, 2013, 22:38:10 A poster on railforums has commented that a service arrived at Newton Abbot, then reversed to Teignmouth to have a better run up, poor rail conditions at Dainton Tunnel between Newton Abbot and Totnes.
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: chrisoates on December 06, 2013, 09:04:50 Quote from RUK...
"Network Rail are not laying sandite this year, just jetting. And this the the result." Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: Network SouthEast on December 06, 2013, 10:33:47 The application of Sandite can sometimes interfere with the operation of track circuits, so not ideal.
However, I'd take anything written on RailUK with a pinch of salt. Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: Southern Stag on December 06, 2013, 16:41:55 That Network Rail haven't been applying Sandite, or at least haven't been applying much, has been reported elsewhere too. Instead they are just using water jetting to try to clear the line of leaves. But drivers report that Sandite is much more effective at approving adhesion than just water jetting.
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: paul7575 on December 06, 2013, 17:08:54 That Network Rail haven't been applying Sandite, or at least haven't been applying much, has been reported elsewhere too. Instead they are just using water jetting to try to clear the line of leaves. But drivers report that Sandite is much more effective at approving adhesion than just water jetting. This isn't by any means the first period they've been using less Sandite, I think it's been going on for a few years now. Paul Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: chrisoates on December 06, 2013, 19:24:06 Same again tonight....
14:06 London Paddington to Penzance due 19:33 This train has been delayed at Bodmin Parkway and is now 31 minutes late. This is due to poor rail conditions earlier. Message Received :06/12/2013 18:43 Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: Pb_devon on December 07, 2013, 08:08:32 Apologies for the late info, but going back to Wednesday (4th) I was on the 1606 ex PAD which had a very shaky start from the Ivybridge stop but otherwise was RT. so avoiding the problems in the other direction. I see it went pearshaped later due to a late running Up service at Royal Albert Bridge!
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: Henry on December 09, 2013, 14:52:35 I blame Brunel, should have built more tunnels, 'railway cuttings' instead of up and down hill !!!!!!! Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: SandTEngineer on December 14, 2013, 19:22:26 Poor rail conditions on Dainton Bank again this evening (Saturday 14 December 2013) causing long delays (the weather is extremely wet and windy outside) ::)
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: bobm on December 14, 2013, 19:54:10 Fingers crossed I get to Newton Abbot tonight then!
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: TonyK on December 14, 2013, 20:14:03 I blame Brunel, should have built more tunnels, 'railway cuttings' instead of up and down hill !!!!!!! Harsh, but maybe fair. Cost cutting isn't a modern phenomenon. Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: stuving on December 14, 2013, 22:43:31 Some people don't seem to mind gradients. DB built the ICE line from Cologne to Frankfurt with gradients of 4% - that's 1 in 25 - and I guess they had some idea what they were doing. True, it's a wider landholding than old lines here, but there are still plenty of trees around it.
Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: eightf48544 on December 15, 2013, 10:42:40 There are also plenty of steep (1:27) on the LGV Sud which is like a switch back. But they are pretty straight, so can be taken at full speed.
Yes Brunel was at fault in laying out Newton Abbot Plymouth but don't forget he was going to use his atmosheric princiciple which had he had modern materials (neoprene) would not have rquired adhesion to get up the banks, although it may have been a bit dodgy braking coming down. Title: Re: Slipping and Sliding in the West Post by: TonyK on December 15, 2013, 10:55:14 We'll forgive him, then.
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