Title: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Oxman on November 17, 2013, 21:22:23 NR has announced that six new retail outlets will open on the transfer deck in April 2014;
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/News-Releases/New-retail-choices-for-passengers-at-Reading-station-1f01.aspx "Hotel Chocolat, Boots, The Cornish Pasty Co, Upper Crust, Cards Galore and Oliver Bonas are all primed to start work on units in the newly constructed part of the station. The new retailers will join Starbucks, which is currently the only business operating on the passenger bridge." "Reading station is currently managed by First Great Western. Network Rail is managing the letting of retail space as there is an aspiration by the Department for Transport that management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads be assumed by Network Rail from spring 2014." Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Southern Stag on November 17, 2013, 22:50:13 6 seems like quite a lot on the transfer deck. Seems like some slightly odd choices of retailers too.
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: johngreg on November 19, 2013, 12:46:45 What are the pro/cons of Network rail managing Reading rather than FGW? As an occassional passenger through Reading am I going to notice any difference?
In relation to the retailers most are at Waterloo (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/london-waterloo-station/shops/) some upstairs, so this would seem an obvious extension to a another major station. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: R.Langley on November 19, 2013, 13:51:42 In answer to your question johngreg, I believe the only visual differences will be some of the signage. The on station staff are all likely to remain FGW, but the "behind the scenes" stuff is to be run by Network Rail.
At least that's what I gleaned from the radio. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: JayMac on November 19, 2013, 13:57:51 Welcome to the Great Western Passengers' Forum R.Langley. :)
Network Rail also tend to deal with Customer Assistance (distinct from Customer Information) at the stations they manage. Although whether this will be the case at Reading and Bristol Temple Meads when they 'take over' I can't say. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Boppy on November 19, 2013, 13:59:41 Who has the greatest say in which retail outlets get the prime Transfer Deck spots? And does having Network Rail rather than FGW manage Reading impact on this decision?
Reason I ask is that I believe in a separate thread (or maybe earlier in this one) it was highlighted how the local independent retailers like Tutti Frutti (who currently have a spot on the old concourse) were unhappy how the transfer deck spots were going to go to bigger national retailers. I'm sure it comes down to pure finances at the end of the day but reserving one spot for a local retailer would have been a nice idea and I'm wondering what say the management of Reading station had in that. Anyone know? Thanks, Boppy. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Network SouthEast on November 19, 2013, 14:45:05 I'm unsure about Oliver Bonas, but certainly the other retailers listed by Oxman going on the transfer deck can all be run as franchises away from the main company.
Starbucks on the transfer deck is actually a franchise run by SSP UK. My suspicion is that SSP UK (or someone else) have actually leased the entire transfer deck in one go. That may be why the likes of Tutti Frutti aren't able to go on the transfer deck. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2013, 14:55:37 Haven't SSP got first refusals on any NR-run station?
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: JayMac on November 19, 2013, 15:17:46 Haven't SSP got first refusals on any NR-run station? Wouldn't that be anti-competitive and illegal? As far as I can tell, only one of the six mentioned is currently an SSP brand/franchise (Upper Crust). Possibly two if The Cornish Pasty Co is actually 'The Pasty Shop'. Of course SSP could become the franchisees for the other units. Although I'm not sure that Boots, Cards Galore or Oliver Bonas offer franchises. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: ChrisB on November 19, 2013, 15:21:35 Not if the contract is retendered regularly.
But SSP certainly seem to have most food outlets, whether franchised or owned. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Jonty on November 19, 2013, 18:00:05 A cash machine would be useful, either in the North Terminal booking hall or on the deck itself.
Do the retail outlets get their own bucket and mop as part of the lease...? 8) Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: FremlinsMan on November 19, 2013, 20:41:10 A cash machine would be useful, either in the North Terminal booking hall or on the deck itself. How about a covered seating area, with heating? (Only joking!)... Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: JayMac on November 19, 2013, 20:46:04 Do the retail outlets get their own bucket and mop as part of the lease...? 8) *like* ;D Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: lbraine on November 19, 2013, 21:35:13 The outlet that sells umbrellas and thermal wear will mint it.
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: MVR S&T on November 19, 2013, 23:48:37 A waiting room with the pasty shop at one end, a large warm seating area with a view of the trains, a real ale outlet at the other, with the departure boards and screens with the thames valley control centre train describer above the windows....or perhaps not.
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Network SouthEast on November 20, 2013, 03:27:29 As far as I can tell, only one of the six mentioned is currently an SSP brand/franchise (Upper Crust). Possibly two if The Cornish Pasty Co is actually 'The Pasty Shop'. Of course SSP could become the franchisees for the other units. Although I'm not sure that Boots, Cards Galore or Oliver Bonas offer franchises. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 24, 2013, 16:08:37 From Railnews (http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2013/11/19-bristol-reading-may-join-network.html):
Quote Bristol, Reading may join Network Rail station portfolio (http://www.railnews.co.uk/img/medium/260x186xnews01776.jpg.pagespeed.ic.XG52MtOGV_.jpg) So far it's only Starbucks, but more retailers are set to open on the new overbridge at Reading in the spring Plans to transfer the management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations from First Great Western to Network Rail are being developed, but no decisions have yet been made. Network Rail has moved to deny reports that the deal is already done, but even so it has taken over the letting of retail units at Reading, which is being modernised and enlarged by the addition of five more platforms. The company is letting the space because it says there is an 'aspiration' at the Department for Transport for both Reading and Bristol Temple Meads to become Network Rail-managed stations from next April. A major overbridge with room for retail space was opened at Reading earlier this year as one phase of the station's development was completed, and all the signs at the modernised station already follow the standard Network Rail style. Network Rail said that Hotel Chocolat, Boots, The Cornish Pasty Co, Upper Crust, Cards Galore and Oliver Bonas 'are all primed to start work on units in the newly constructed part of the station'. The new retailers will join a small Starbucks unit which has been on the overbridge since it opened in April this year. Hamish Kiernan, Network Rail^s interim commercial director, said: "Reading station is bigger and better than ever, but we know passengers want more retail choices in the new part of the station. We are pleased to be able to announce that the new stores will be ready to welcome customers from April 2014." Retail sales in Network Rail stations have continued to defy trends in the high street. The company said in September there was 6.4 per cent growth in like-for-like sales from April to June 2013, while high street sales for the same period were just 0.4 per cent. The work at Reading should be complete by 2015, when a 2km flyover will be opened west of the station to reduce conflicting movements on the Great Western Main Line. Network Rail inherited the management of a number of major stations from Railtrack in 2001-2. Stations like London Euston, Leeds, Manchester Piccadilly and Glasgow Central were never managed by franchises because at privatisation it was envisaged that stations like these would be sold and become independent, like airports. However, the plans for the creation of 'independent station operators' were later dropped. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: SDS on April 01, 2014, 23:36:10 Quote Transfer of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads to Network Rail Dear colleagues, One of the commitments made at the start of new franchise in October was to transfer formal ownership of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations from First Great Western to Network Rail. We have reached agreement on how this will work, and Network Rail will assume responsibility for the overall management of Bristol Temple Meads and Reading stations from 0200 on Tuesday 1 April. Network Rail's focus will be on facilities management, third-party retail, maintenance and cleaning. First Great Western and our station teams will remain responsible for all customer-facing activity ^ including dispatch, gateline and ticket office sales ^ just as we do today. The changes are designed to streamline upcoming improvement projects and the management and development of third-party retail outlets, while allowing First Great Western to concentrate our efforts on our core business ^ looking after the needs of our customers. We are pleased we have been able to make such quick progress with Network Rail to agree how these stations will be managed in future. We look forward to working with their station teams on a day-to-day basis to deliver the best possible customer experience. Mark Hopwood Managing Director And I wonder just how much revenue FGW are loosing from not having the retail rents anymore. I did hear rumours that the SSP run starbucks on the overbridge at RDG guaranteed a huge amount of rent to have exclusivity for coffee. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: JayMac on April 02, 2014, 00:20:35 Could we have the source for the quoted text please. There have, to my knowledge, been no public announcements regarding the handover. Network Rail, as yet, have not updated their website.
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: insider on April 02, 2014, 01:00:13 Could we have the source for the quoted text please. There have, to my knowledge, been no public announcements regarding the handover. Network Rail, as yet, have not updated their website. Was an internal FGW email sent to all email inboxes and displayed on notice boards. Also can confirm from a friend who works @RDG that Network Rail were touring all areas of the station today with their various maintenance staff as they are now responsible for the old areas of the station and not just the new build...This included all behind the scenes areas and staff accom.. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: stuving on April 02, 2014, 07:53:38 Reading and Bristol are now included in the structure of NR's site, though not in the list on the "Our Stations" page yet.
I was puzzled by this: Quote Dear colleagues, One of the commitments made at the start of new franchise in October was to transfer formal ownership of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations from First Great Western to Network Rail. I thought TOCs ran stations, but don't own them. Whether that's formally a lease or some kind of management agreement I'm not sure, nor who or what is the ground landlord. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: grahame on April 02, 2014, 08:09:07 Does this mean that lost property handed in at Bristol and Reading will get sent to Paddington, and will lost property handed in over the rest of the GW network still get sent to Bristol?
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: ChrisB on April 02, 2014, 08:35:05 Good Question!.....
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: the void on April 02, 2014, 08:47:55 Does this mean that lost property handed in at Bristol and Reading will get sent to Paddington, and will lost property handed in over the rest of the GW network still get sent to Bristol? Lost Property is remaining in-house with FGW and will continue to be situated at Temple Meads. The last few remaining lost property offices in other locations across the network (Westbury, Weston, Cheltenham & Gloucester) will soon close down with operations transferring to Bristol in the very near future. There will be very little material difference at BTM and RDG, the management of these stations is being done in a very different way to other Network Rail managed stations, with FGW retaining much more of a management presence. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: stuving on April 02, 2014, 08:56:02 Isn't it about time someone came up with a new internal station plan for Reading to put on the National Rail site? It doesn't really matter who does it, but maybe thinking about who's responsible for what will prompt some action. Currently there isn't even a warning that the one one show is wrong. It was updated with the interim platform renumbering when P4-6 opened, which was well over a year ago and before P12-15 were in use.
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: paul7575 on April 02, 2014, 09:14:12 This doesn't affect the public much if at all - they won't notice any day to day difference because as the note above says all public facing roles remain with FGW. In the overall scheme of things it is not that significant - even in my experience of Paddington any normal person passing through would probably just assume FGW ran it, this is the same at Waterloo with SWT.
Paul Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: grahame on April 02, 2014, 09:29:05 Does this mean that lost property handed in at Bristol and Reading will get sent to Paddington, and will lost property handed in over the rest of the GW network still get sent to Bristol? Lost Property is remaining in-house with FGW and will continue to be situated at Temple Meads. Many thanks (and some relief!) for that clarification ... I had a concern that a logical move at a "high" level to manage huge multi-TOC stations through Network Rail might have resulted in some lower level sillies! Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: paul7575 on April 02, 2014, 09:59:50 Isn't it about time someone came up with a new internal station plan for Reading to put on the National Rail site? This is a regular criticism of the National Rail site - nearly all recently altered stations are not being updated. I suspect the contractor who did all the original "Stations made easy" drawings was never given a retainer to deal with maintenance and updates. I've also seen criticism that the photos showing access routes etc, mainly provided for those with mobility issues, have no update procedure either... Paul Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: paul7575 on April 02, 2014, 10:27:15 On a similar vein, (and to avoid starting a short new thread), is there any news on transferring Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge to SWT? IIRC that was in the original (now lapsed) franchise ITT as well?
Paul Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: stuving on April 02, 2014, 10:36:40 This is a regular criticism of the National Rail site - nearly all recently altered stations are not being updated. I suspect the contractor who did all the original "Stations made easy" drawings was never given a retainer to deal with maintenance and updates. I've also seen criticism that the photos showing access routes etc, mainly provided for those with mobility issues, have no update procedure either... Well, fancy this! If you go to this page of the Zero Project web site (http://zeroproject.org/practice/web-based-tool-to-plan-access-to-railway-stations/) you will find that ATOC put ^Stations Made Easy" in for an award this year. At the Zero Project Conference 2014 in Vienna in February, it was selected as one of 54 "Innovative Practices on Accessibility". ATOC's submission says, inter alia, this: Quote CURRENT SITUATION & OUTLOOK The Stations Made Easy pages are updated on a regular basis to ensure all accessibility-related information is up to date. The online information is much more detailed than anything that existed previously. In order to ensure regular updates and the interactive engagement of disabled passengers, ATOC is currently exploring whether the implementation of a community-based comment and recommendation facility can be developed for each individual station. The set-up of such an interactive community tool would be a starting point for a social media travel network for railway passengers with disabilities in the United Kingdom. There's a contact named, to whom I have sent a mildly sarcastic e-mail. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Oxman on April 02, 2014, 10:52:29 Three areas not mentioned are security, customer assistance and the station control room operation. All are run by NR at Padd. At Reading, security is outsourced (like cleaning), so could easily be transferred. Customer care and the station control room staff are all FGW staff so will presumably stay with FGW?
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: paul7575 on April 02, 2014, 11:04:56 There's a contact named, to whom I have sent a mildly sarcastic e-mail. They'll probably turn it off rather than admit they're wrong then? Paul Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: lordgoata on April 02, 2014, 11:42:00 They'll probably turn it off rather than admit they're wrong then? Paul LOL ;D Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 02, 2014, 21:17:34 I have now moved and merged a couple of topics into this one here - purely in the interests of clarity and continuity. :D
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: SDS on April 02, 2014, 23:17:26 Three areas not mentioned are security, customer assistance and the station control room operation. All are run by NR at Padd. At Reading, security is outsourced (like cleaning), so could easily be transferred. Customer care and the station control room staff are all FGW staff so will presumably stay with FGW? What you have said is correct. All FGW staff will stay with FGW. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: centralman on April 02, 2014, 23:28:30 Looks like they have been added to the NR site now!
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/bristol-temple-meads/departures-arrivals/ http://www.networkrail.co.uk/reading-station/departures-arrivals/ Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Oxman on April 03, 2014, 00:06:30 Looks like NR have some work to do on their website, at least as far as Reading is concerned. References to toilets in the subway and the "advanced travel sales office" suggest this info was taken off a very old data sheet/web site. Funny though how it is mixed in with references to the new platforms!
Must try harder! Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: SDS on April 03, 2014, 00:21:26 It almost makes me think...
FGW: Hello NeR, you are aware your taking over management of RDG and BRI next month? NeR: Yeah sure, we will be ready. March 28th FGW: Still ready for the transfer? NeR: Yep April 1st 00:59. FGW: Okay its yours in a few mins. NeR: Okay bring it on. April 3rd NeR: ARRGHHH who told us we were taking over management, update the website, but we got no data, arrghh panic. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Ollie on April 03, 2014, 01:45:17 Looks like NR have some work to do on their website, at least as far as Reading is concerned. References to toilets in the subway and the "advanced travel sales office" suggest this info was taken off a very old data sheet/web site. Funny though how it is mixed in with references to the new platforms! Must try harder! On looking at the facilities page for Reading it looks like it's describing Bristol Temple Meads, no doubt someone more familiar with Temple Meads...Justin/Chris? Would be able to confirm. Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: JayMac on April 03, 2014, 01:50:10 Well, yep. There ain't no subway at Reading any more.
That page does indeed appear to be describing the facilities available at Bristol Temple Meads and not Reading. http://www.networkrail.co.uk/reading-station/facilities/ (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/rdgbri_zpsf1337212.jpg) Also nice to note that wherever this is, it has an 'advanced' travel sales office. Nothing 'advanced' about the one at Temple Meads as far as I can tell. Uses the same ticket system as the booking hall, and decor wise I'd say it is stuck in the 1990s. ;) Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 03, 2014, 02:04:35 Good one, Network Rail! ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: paul7575 on April 03, 2014, 12:27:37 Good one, Network Rail! ;) :D ;D Opening the Reading and Bristol pages side by side, they are basically the exact same information. Someone's obviously stopped editing when they got to the end of the title line... I have sent some mildly sarcastic feedback... ;D Paul Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: stuving on April 03, 2014, 12:37:06 This is a regular criticism of the National Rail site - nearly all recently altered stations are not being updated. I suspect the contractor who did all the original "Stations made easy" drawings was never given a retainer to deal with maintenance and updates. I've also seen criticism that the photos showing access routes etc, mainly provided for those with mobility issues, have no update procedure either... Well, fancy this! If you go to this page of the Zero Project web site (http://zeroproject.org/practice/web-based-tool-to-plan-access-to-railway-stations/) you will find that ATOC put ^Stations Made Easy" in for an award this year. At the Zero Project Conference 2014 in Vienna in February, it was selected as one of 54 "Innovative Practices on Accessibility". ATOC's submission says, inter alia, this: Quote CURRENT SITUATION & OUTLOOK The Stations Made Easy pages are updated on a regular basis to ensure all accessibility-related information is up to date. The online information is much more detailed than anything that existed previously. In order to ensure regular updates and the interactive engagement of disabled passengers, ATOC is currently exploring whether the implementation of a community-based comment and recommendation facility can be developed for each individual station. The set-up of such an interactive community tool would be a starting point for a social media travel network for railway passengers with disabilities in the United Kingdom. There's a contact named, to whom I have sent a mildly sarcastic e-mail. Since I am "the public", I'm sure I can pass on the reply I got from ATOC: Quote Thank you for your e-mail. I have not had a reply to my follow-up...There are regular updates of the Stations Made Easy pages. Each year between 150-200 re-audits are undertaken. There is some additional work currently taking place at Reading station but this is due for a re-audit shortly. Best wishes David Sindall Head of Disability & Inclusion|Association of Train Operating Companies Quote Dear Mr. Sindall Thank you for that prompt reply. I suspect that the minor revisions that are being made are all but invisible to users, while major changes, if not reflected in the map for more than a few weeks, are very obvious. That's unavoidable, and if you see it as a problem perhaps you should address it. While new pictures may have to wait for a new site visit, the new layout of an upgraded station such as Reading has been known for years - perhaps since the start of Stations Made Easy. While a lot of work has been done at Reading since the new parts were opened last Easter, this has had almost no impact on the layout for passengers. Essentially, various platforms have been closed at different times, that is all. So in that sense there is no excuse for any delay at all: the new layout could have gone on-line last Easter. If the layout is entirely new, there is no point in keeping the out-of-date pictures, is there? Still, I am glad to hear that this will be addressed soon. Yours truly Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: paul7575 on April 03, 2014, 14:41:28 The Reading station info has now been changed, I just had an email response from the chap who fixed it.
Paul Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: JayMac on April 25, 2014, 00:47:11 Network Rail have been busy marking their territory at Bristol Temple Meads. New signage is appearing in NR house colours and the Network Rail logo is now on the entrance doors to the booking hall, as well as in other places.
(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/IMAG0060_zpsed45c971.jpg) (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/IMAG0062_zps00244760.jpg) Did try to get a picture of the entrance doors but the damn things kept opening to let people through! Sadly, this is one more location from where the 'Rail Alphabet' typeface will eventually disappear. Network Rail's 'NR Brunel' typeface is similar, but not quite the same. If you have typeface nerdish tendencies like me, then more about Network Rail's 'NR Brunel' can be read here (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/137521/response/332469/attach/2/L2%20Signage%20Managed%20Station%20Guidelines.pdf#page=20). (.pdf download) Title: Re: Management of Reading and Bristol Temple Meads stations - FGW to Network Rail Post by: Red Squirrel on April 25, 2014, 09:05:12 If you have typeface nerdish tendencies like me, then more about Network Rail's 'NR Brunel' can be read here (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/137521/response/332469/attach/2/L2%20Signage%20Managed%20Station%20Guidelines.pdf#page=20). (.pdf download) Interesting reading - well, I think so anyway. The pictograms (p12) are intriguing: A car with a key over it means car hire - obviously. Cycle hire however is a cycle with a pound sign over it... though comparing this with the 'Bureau de Change' sign you might think it was somewhere to buy or sell a bike. A suitcase with a key over it is 'luggage locker' - or does it mean luggage hire? Incidentally I am not criticising these signs - I just find it interesting that the same graphical elements can have such different meanings. If you want an example of how not to do signage, look no further than this excellent treatise on the less-than-excellent signage used by Moto motorway services: http://www.cbrd.co.uk/indepth/motoservices/ Now you've drawn my attention to it, I'm amazed how old-fashioned the 'Rail Alphabet' font looks now - I can't help associating it with austerity, dereliction and closure. You may have happier memories! Oddly, the 'Transport' font (used on post-Worboys road signs) which has been around for about the same length of time but doesn't look so dated to me... This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |