Title: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: stuving on October 21, 2013, 08:14:06 Quote from: Crossrail Network Rail has awarded a contract to VINCI Construction UK Ltd. for the design and upgrade of 13 stations in west London and Berkshire and a separate contract for overhead line equipment to Balfour Beatty. News released 18 October 2013: http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/network-rail-awards-two-major-crossrail-contracts-for-west-london-and-berkshire (http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/network-rail-awards-two-major-crossrail-contracts-for-west-london-and-berkshire)The stations contract covers significant improvements to stations from Acton Main Line to Maidenhead. Many of the stations on the route are being refurbished or partially rebuilt in preparation for Crossrail. Proposed improvements along the line include new station buildings and ticket halls, new lifts to deliver step free access and longer platforms. The detailed design phase will start at the end of 2013 and main works will take place between mid-2014 and 2018. The contract awarded to Balfour Beatty involves the installation of electric overhead line equipment between Airport Junction and Maidenhead across all tracks facilitating the delivery of Crossrail services as well as new high speed Intercity Express trains on the Great Western route. The remainder of the Great Western route to Swansea is being electrified as part of a wider programme that will see electric services operate from late 2016. Quote from: Balfour Beatty Balfour Beatty, the international infrastructure group, today announces it has been awarded a Crossrail contract by Network Rail for the electrification of a 12.5 mile section of the Great Western Main Line. News released 21 October 2013: http://www.balfourbeatty.com/index.asp?pageid=42&newsid=493 (http://www.balfourbeatty.com/index.asp?pageid=42&newsid=493)The contract covers the installation of new overhead line electrification equipment on all lines between Stockley Junction (near Heathrow Airport) and Maidenhead on the Crossrail West Outer section. It also includes supporting ancillary civils and power works. This contract builds on Balfour Beatty's existing involvement in the Crossrail programme and follows the award earlier this year of the Track Infrastructure contract for the same section in the West Outer area. Innovations being introduced by Balfour Beatty for this latest contract include new and enhanced plant solutions including Balfour Beatty^s new High Output Wiring Train which offers safer, more efficient installation of overhead lines. Balfour Beatty Chief Executive, Andrew McNaughton said: ^We are delighted to be awarded this contract and very much look forward to continuing our long-term relationship with Network Rail and continued support with the Crossrail programme. ^Our investments in specialist High Output plant solutions for these works confirm our ongoing commitment to the UK rail market and, in particular to the National Electrification Programme.^ Works commence on site in December 2013 and are due for completion in late 2016. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: lordgoata on November 05, 2013, 09:54:08 Something occurred to me the other day. Given that so much prep work is required for this electrification, with bridges being rebuilt, areas being cleared of trees, the cost of these new machines to install all the equipment, the complaints about the posts being eyesores etc ... why was OHLE chosen for electrification rather than 3rd rail ?
I'm sure there must be pro's and con's for both, but from the outside looking in, 3rd rail seems to be the cheaper option with the lest impact. Just curious if anyone knows ? Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: paul7575 on November 05, 2013, 10:13:11 Something occurred to me the other day. Given that so much prep work is required for this electrification, with bridges being rebuilt, areas being cleared of trees, the cost of these new machines to install all the equipment, the complaints about the posts being eyesores etc ... why was OHLE chosen for electrification rather than 3rd rail ? I'm sure there must be pro's and con's for both, but from the outside looking in, 3rd rail seems to be the cheaper option with the lest impact. Just curious if anyone knows ? Compared to 25 kV, third rail is much less efficient. There's a huge loss to heat in the conductor rail, because the voltage is low so current is comparatively very high. Regeneration into the grid supply is considerable more difficult than in an AC system, because every substation would need to be able to convert DC to AC, as well as rectify from AC to DC as they do now. The third rail when viewed alone is cheaper to install than OHLE, but there are far more closely spaced power supplies required, which on balance makes an installation expensive. Last but not least, it is no longer considered to be a 'safe system of work' for staff, under normal electrical regulations; so it is only now considered for short extensions or infill schemes. Have also found the RSSB report that established that it was going to be cost effective to change existing electrification from DC to AC when it is up for renewal. (The idea being to change Basingstoke to Southampton to OHLE when it is due for renewal.) Now that alone suggests that installing a new OHLE AC system on virgin ground would be much cheaper than a DC third rail set up. Quote ...This research has concluded that the potential benefits of changing to a 25kV OLE system are: ^ Cost reductions in the capital investment of installing an AC system when compared with a DC system. ^ Reduced energy losses and carbon footprint for 'like for like' service (comparing the same 4-car EMU service with AC and DC). Results also indicate that an equivalent AC service consumes at least 20% less energy. ^ Increased power, enabling higher average speeds, increasing capacity and as a result, reducing journey time by 3^5% (on average). ^ Reduction in safety risk to unintended trespassers from possible electrocution. http://www.rssb.co.uk/RESEARCH/Lists/DispForm_Custom.aspx?ID=965 Paul Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: lordgoata on November 05, 2013, 11:39:17 Knew there must have been more to it than I thought :) Thanks for a great explanation (as always) Paul!
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Network SouthEast on November 05, 2013, 11:51:24 In addition to the points that paul7755 has made, here are some of my own.
Whilst OHLE is affected by strong winds, third rail (or CRE (conductor rail equipment)) is problematic in flooding/snow/ice. De-icing trains have to run in cold weather over CRE lines. CRE is viewed (rightly IMO) as more of a dangerous system. One advantage CRE does have, is that in an emergency it is possible to isolate smaller sections (and therefore cause less disruption) than OHLE. It is also possible in an emergency on CRE for train crews to 'short circuit' a line using a short-circuit bar if it is not possible to contact the ECR (electrical control room), whereas this is not possible on OHLE. For example, in the Clapham Junction rail crash, the rail staff were unable to telephone the ECR at Raynes Park. By short circuiting the CRE, the ECR became aware of a problem on the line. There are currently no rail services operating above 100mph in the UK on the third rail network, yet the AC OHLE system is used worldwide for high speed rail services. Whilst it is still possible to become 'gapped' in an OHNS (overhead neutral section), on OHLE - this is less common than CRE which has numerous section gaps and gaps in 3rd rail over things like level crossings and points. I think AC OHLE for future electrification is definitely the right choice. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Super Guard on November 05, 2013, 12:32:31 Thank you Paul & NSE for that info - I had also wondered!
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: stuving on November 05, 2013, 12:55:35 One of the striking things about this question is how the arguments have remained largely the same for over 100 years, despite the changes in technology and other areas.
There are only two systems in large-scale use here, but historically there were three choices to be made - DC or AC, and what frequency? low volts (750 up to a few kV) or high volts (25 kV outside Germany)? overhead or third rail? If you choose DC it used to be hard to change voltage. Now every train does it, though we can still only handle a few kV. I think converters (DC-DC and DC-AC) still cost more than transformers at this power level (around a MW) - at low powers that's not true, and all consumer electrics/electronics is stuffed full of them, even (LED) light bulbs. We in Britain are unique in persisting with top-contact third rail on a large scale outside metros. Many places tried it and gave up around 100 years ago - often changing to side- or bottom-contact to avoid the snow and ice, or overhead then or later. Third rail is inevitably hard to insulate, so only feasible at low voltages (apart from the safety issues). There is an issue with what kind of electricity motors work on, partly fundamental but changing with technical evolution. When the early decisions were made it was common to use wound-field DC motors for both - they don't care which way the current flows, but object if it changes over too often. Hence Germany chose 16.67 Hz AC as the highest feasible at the time. Now we can convert power to AC or DC at variable volts or frequency to suit the motor. Low-voltage (DC) OHLE is rare in Britain, other than in trams. It is surprisingly common elsewhere - e.g. 3 kV in Belgium and many others, 1.5 kV in the Netherlands and half of France. That's for main lines, so the current per train is at least as high as for suburban 750V. So the problems of feeding many kAmps of DC to long-distance tracks can be overcome. In these countries newer lines are often 25 kV, and high-speed lines all are. There are moves to change over DC OHLE to 25 kV AC, though not very fast despite the fact that a high proportion of motive power is dual-standard or more. The current standard design (transform and convert AC to around 1 kV DC, and then convert to suit the motors) makes multi-standard much easier to do than in the past. If you want a thorough analysis of the costs, there is an RSSB research report on the implications of changing over (as is planned for Southampton to Basingstoke): http://www.rssb.co.uk/RESEARCH/Lists/DispForm_Custom.aspx?ID=965 (http://www.rssb.co.uk/RESEARCH/Lists/DispForm_Custom.aspx?ID=965) This page summarises a recent meeting, giving an idea of the views current in the industry (but I'm dubious of its take on the history): http://www.therailengineer.com/2013/04/10/has-third-rail-had-its-day/ (http://www.therailengineer.com/2013/04/10/has-third-rail-had-its-day/) And finally, all of these arguments (plus the merits of three-phase versus single phase AC and many others) are dealt with in "Electrical Engineering" by Harold H Simmons* (Cassel, 1908 - but my Grandfather's copy is dated 1909 and was bought in 1914). So they are not new! And note that even then the use of low voltage DC third rail on inter-city lines was dismissed as uneconomic. The real puzzle in some ways is that 1.5 or 3 kV DC overhead was and is still so widely used over long distances, despite the cost of frequent feeder stations and the big wires that have to run alongside the track between them. *This is available online at: https://archive.org/details/outlineselectri00simmgoog (https://archive.org/details/outlineselectri00simmgoog) though the digitisation failed to capture many of the pictures. Section XI, chapter IV "Railways" is on p 815, which is p 860 in Google's online version. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Thatcham Crossing on November 05, 2013, 13:49:12 I seem to remember quite a lot of publicity at the time around the difficulty and cost of providing the extra "juice" needed to power the current EMU 3rd rail stock (eg, Desiro's on SWT), when they were brought into service. They are apparently a lot more power hungry than the "slam-door" trains they replaced.
One has to wonder, having read the above, whether it might have been more cost-effective in the long run to go straight to OHLE, bearing in mind that this is now going to be going up anyway between Basinsgtoke and Southampton, for example? Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: eightf48544 on November 05, 2013, 15:32:39 Stuving refers to his grandfather's book on Electrical Engineering and quotes the comment: (plus the merits of three-phase versus single phase AC!
3 phase electrification with twin O/H was extensively used in Northern Italy from around the turn of centry until after the WW2. The problems with it were you needed two wires and the rails to carry the 3 phases plus the then AC motors then were fixed speed and with a limited top speed thus not sutiable for high speed. I believe there are still a couple of stand alone local systems in use in Switzerland not conneted to the mainline which still use 3 phase and can be regonised by the twin O?H wires and pans. However today we don't need 2 wires we can make 3 phase power on the train and feed it to asychronous motors which are now fitted to many of the modern EMUs in the Uk. An intersting article on the physics can be found at http://www.railelectrica.com/traction-motor/three-phase-induction-motor-as-traction-motor/ (http://www.railelectrica.com/traction-motor/three-phase-induction-motor-as-traction-motor/) Warning way beyond my A level. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: stuving on November 05, 2013, 16:09:35 Stuving refers to his grandfather's book on Electrical Engineering and quotes the comment: (plus the merits of three-phase versus single phase AC! 3 phase electrification with twin O/H was extensively used in Northern Italy from around the turn of centry until after the WW2. The problems with it were you needed two wires and the rails to carry the 3 phases plus the then AC motors then were fixed speed and with a limited top speed thus not sutiable for high speed. I believe there are still a couple of stand alone local systems in use in Switzerland not conneted to the mainline which still use 3 phase and can be regonised by the twin O?H wires and pans. The book has a detailed description of the Simplon tunnel installation, though sadly none of the photos has been digitised successfully. This extended into Italy, though 3-phase has always been a Swiss speciality, and perhaps even a Brown-Boveri one. When the Swiss starting building tunnels, they would generally be taking over a steam-hauled train from one side and delivering to another steam engine at the other. So these were tugs, and needed to be relatively powerful and heavy - the words say 900 HP (671 kW) and 42 t, with synchronous running speeds of 21 and 42 mi/hr. The puzzle here is that it also says BB offered to fit the system in 1905 in 5 months at their own initial cost - so what was the plan before that? Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Rhydgaled on November 05, 2013, 16:32:35 There are currently no rail services operating above 100mph in the UK on the third rail network, yet the AC OHLE system is used worldwide for high speed rail services. Don't hold me to it, but I think the speed record for a 3rd rail train is held by either a 5-WES (class 442) or Eurostar set at not much above 100mph.Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Network SouthEast on November 05, 2013, 16:46:26 World Record is reported on various websites as 108mph, achieved by a class 442.
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Electric train on November 05, 2013, 18:55:48 The third rail when viewed alone is cheaper to install than OHLE, but there are far more closely spaced power supplies required, which on balance makes an installation expensive. The capital cost of substations for 3rd rail is in the order of ^2M each for a 2 track railway, there needs to be a substation about every 4 miles. These substations require more maintenance than the 25kV ac substations.There are also problems managing return dc current. Last but not least, it is no longer considered to be a 'safe system of work' for staff, under normal electrical regulations; so it is only now considered for short extensions or infill schemes. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: eightf48544 on November 05, 2013, 23:15:31 World Record is reported on various websites as 108mph, achieved by a class 442. Interesting very simialr to the highest speed recorded with a Bullied Pacific. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 05, 2013, 23:24:30 cough ... Bulleid ... ;)
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: John R on November 05, 2013, 23:28:29 Maybe it had to be Bullied to reach that sort of speed. ;D
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: eightf48544 on November 06, 2013, 09:05:41 Oops probably not bullied they never did discover, on the Rugby test plant, how nuch steam one of his boilers would make even with two firemen
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: James on February 17, 2014, 10:44:19 Electrification starting December 2013?
Apart from seeing a few posts around the Reading area of Electrification, is the electrification actually happening further afield than Reading or has it stalled? I appreciate the weather and other factors have played a part in the delay of the electrification project but it does seem to have stalled or is moving slowly, anyone know other reasons why? Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: paul7575 on February 17, 2014, 12:18:29 'Electrification' has been underway for a couple of years, because the whole project includes stuff like bridge rebuilding and/or track repositioning for OHLE clearance. Then there's road access to build substations and network connection points and stuff.
The more visually obvious stuff like the masts takes some while to appear, but it doesn't mean nothing is happening, there are piled and excavated foundations for electrification masts around the Didcot area for instance. I'd say it is wrong to say anything has stalled - it was never likely to start instantly with masts and wires appearing somewhere the very next day. Paul Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: James on February 17, 2014, 12:31:48 'Electrification' has been underway for a couple of years, because the whole project includes stuff like bridge rebuilding and/or track repositioning for OHLE clearance. Then there's road access to build substations and network connection points and stuff. The more visually obvious stuff like the masts takes some while to appear, but it doesn't mean nothing is happening, there are piled and excavated foundations for electrification masts around the Didcot area for instance. I'd say it is wrong to say anything has stalled - it was never likely to start instantly with masts and wires appearing somewhere the very next day. Paul Sorry, just so much as been going about it for years, and hoping that things would move quickly, but thanks for clarifying this. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: stebbo on February 17, 2014, 14:24:52 The bridge works at Oxford - which have caused controversy in the flooding issue (see separate postings) - and the row over closure of a level crossing serving some allotments at Oxford are to do with the pre-electrification work.
By the way, didn't the Southern Railway start off with overhead electrification in the early 20th century, then switch to third rail? As I recall, the third rail was originally meant for the densely worked London suburban services but when steam was withdrawn the third rail was expanded as the overhead electrification was by then long gone. Also, wasn't the original Liverpool Street overhead electrification done at 15kv? Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Alan Pettitt on February 17, 2014, 18:14:08 Not quite, the London Brighton and South Coast Railway had electrified about 24 miles of track with overhead equipment at 6,600v AC but after grouping to form the Southern it was converted to third rail.
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: DidcotPunter on February 17, 2014, 18:20:20 The bridge works at Oxford - which have caused controversy in the flooding issue (see separate postings) - and the row over closure of a level crossing serving some allotments at Oxford are to do with the pre-electrification work. By the way, didn't the Southern Railway start off with overhead electrification in the early 20th century, then switch to third rail? As I recall, the third rail was originally meant for the densely worked London suburban services but when steam was withdrawn the third rail was expanded as the overhead electrification was by then long gone. Also, wasn't the original Liverpool Street overhead electrification done at 15kv? Indeed there is plenty of pre-electrification work being undertaken across the route and more is planned this year. Mast foundations are being installed between Reading and Didcot - there is a large store of electrification equipment being assembled at Moreton Cutting. I believe that the High Output HOPS train for OHLE installation is now at Swindon (at least some of it is) and is due to start work later this year. Clearance work is being undertaken at Foxhall Junction just west of Didcot Parkway to make way for the 400kV feed from the National Grid. Positions for mast bases are now marked out around Didcot station. I think it's a case of watch this space. The LBSC Railway, one of the constituents of the Southern, electrified the South London Line from Victoria to London Bridge using overhead electrification at 6.7kV 25Hz AC in 1909. I believe that the wires were subsequently extended to Coulsdon. When the Southern Railway took over they decided to standardise on the 660V third rail system which was already in use on the LSWR, another constituent company. One could argue with hindsight that this was a retrograde step. The Liverpool St to Shenfield part of the GEML was electrified at 1.5kV DC in 1949 - this was an LNER scheme which was completed post-war after nationalisation. It was subsequently extended to Chelmsford and Southend Vic in 1956 and the whole system converted to 25kV AC in 1962 when the Great Eastern suburban electrification was commissioned. Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: IndustryInsider on February 18, 2014, 14:24:08 I believe it was hoped to let the new HOOP track machine loose, which is when things will really start getting noticeable, in March?
Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: onthecushions on February 18, 2014, 19:06:12 It's a mistake to think that 3rd rail is dc and o/h is ac. Alongside 3rd rail electrified lines, in a cable trough, runs an oil-filled cable at 33kV (11kV on LUL and Merseyrail). Only at the substations, 3-5 miles apart is this switched, transformed, protected and rectified. Going East from Reading these are at Reading, Winnersh, Wokingham, Bracknell etc, with isolating sectioning cabins in between. One could swop all of this restrictive clutter for a modern catenary system, with the existing main transformer secondary winding re-wound with fewer turns to give 25kV rather than 33kV. Modern emu's are essentially dual voltage - supposedly only a depot-fit job. 100 years ago, there were no solid state rectifiers, inverters or power control, no vacuum switchgear, no digital data transmission, no XLPE insulation and no mechanised installation systems. It's a marvel that the engineers of the time achieved so much but I don't think that we will be the least disappointed by the present generation of engineers, now that it has some money to spend. OTC Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Electric train on February 18, 2014, 20:06:16 ......... with the existing main transformer secondary winding re-wound with fewer turns to give 25kV rather than 33kV. The primary rectifier transformer is 33kV the secondary is typically 300V ish depending on how its wound, the rectification give 750V dc. The 33kV network is not suitable to provide practical power at 25kV. The current practice on Network Rail for ac OLE traction is to distribute at 50kV using the symmetrical auto transformer system ie 25kV - 0 - 25kV there is an aerial feeder wire which at 50kV to the contact wire both of which is 25kV to rail. (elsewhere in the world an asymmetrical system is be investigated 50kV - 0 - 25kV) The Grid feeds on the GWML in England will be located at Kensal Green, Didcot and Melksham!!! the system will be auto transformer 25 - 0 - 25 kV Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: onthecushions on February 18, 2014, 23:34:08 The primary rectifier transformer is 33kV the secondary is typically 300V ish depending on how its wound, the rectification give 750V dc. The 33kV network is not suitable to provide practical power at 25kV. The main TF at the Reading grid supply point, probably has a ratio of 132/33. My point is that it could easily be 132/25. A direct ac supply would have lower impedance and losses and so would be able to supply much more power than via the pointless dc substations. A 2x40MVA supply from the 400kV supergrid is fine for high demand areas but is OTT for suburban line conversions. Engineering is optimising value for money, not spending a budget. OTC Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: bobm on February 19, 2014, 01:15:25 From ThisisOxfordshire (http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/11016988._/)
Quote THE timetable for a rail scheme that could cause months of disruption for the county^s motorists has been scrapped. Network Rail has said a schedule it gave for rebuilding 28 bridges in the county is ^out the window^ after it admitted the original plans were not right. But the company has now said that communities may only get four weeks^ notice ^ rather than the months of advance warning people were given when the plans were first revealed. The scheme caused dismay after plans were announced late last year, with people worried about road disruption and councils raising fears about a lack of consultation. The rail infrastruture company has now promised to give ^at least^ four weeks^ notice for each road closure. But unlike in December, when the whole plan for the works was shown, there will be no full schedule released in one go. The firm has said it will redraw the timetable after admitting the original one was ^misleading^. The company needs to modify or rebuild the bridges over the next four years as part of its ^1bn electrification of the Great Western Mainline from London to Cardiff. To put in overhead electric lines to power new trains, the company needs to raise several Victorian bridges by several feet. It will need to close 19 roads, possibly for up to four months at a time, and in December gave the Oxford Mail a timetable for possible closures. But senior project manager Nigel Fenn has now said: ^Those dates are all out the window. ^They were misleading. They would have been formulated over a year ago and train operating companies have produced new timetables since then.^ Mr Fenn said Network Rail has to notify the train operators of engineering work as much as two years in advance and work around their timetables ^ which have now changed since the original plans were made. The line between London and Oxford via Didcot is due to be electrified by January 1, 2017. The rest of the main line from Didcot to Bristol and South Wales, including the Oxfordshire stretch to Swindon, must be finished by January 1, 2018. Under plans first revealed late last year, Network Rail said it could begin work on several schemes in the county at the start of 2014. However, only one of those schemes has so far begun ^ at Fulscot Bridge in South Moreton ^ and all the other schemes that will take place over the next four years have yet to start. Network Rail^s head of consents and environment, Nia Griffiths, said two or three Oxfordshire bridge modifications would start in the next six months, but the only one the company could reveal was a footbridge at Goring and Streatley station. The firm said it does not need to consult ^ but is doing so anyway. Mr Fenn said: ^We have permitted development rights. I can do whatever I like to the bridge, and we are given those rights by the Government. ^But we don^t like to enforce that and cause trouble.^ But the mayor of Wantage, Fiona Roper, said the town council had never been consulted over plans to raise Station Road bridge north of Grove by 1.3 metres. She said: ^I think it is a shame they haven^t approached us. I am assuming they^re going to a higher level, the county council, but it would be nice to have a say.^ In January, Oxfordshire County Council rejected an application by Network Rail to close the road for up to six months from February 10, forcing Network Rail to look into other ways to carry out the work. At the moment, the last road closure is due to begin at Christmas 2015. Ms Griffiths said: ^We will give the Oxford Mail the dates for each of them as early as we can, which is as soon as it has been agreed with the county council.^ Wantage and Didcot MP Ed Vaizey, said: ^m very concerned about the process Network Rail is undertaking. ^There is a lot of evidence that it has not been well managed elsewhere. I am still trying to secure a meeting with them, but they are proving elusive. My constituents cannot afford the chaos and disruption which seems likely to take place without proper planning.^ Network Rail spokeswoman Anne-Marie Batson said: ^This programme is really fluid. ^One day we might say one thing then a week later it is something else but there is always a reason behind that.^ Title: Re: Main line electrification starting December 2013 Post by: Electric train on February 19, 2014, 20:11:44 The primary rectifier transformer is 33kV the secondary is typically 300V ish depending on how its wound, the rectification give 750V dc. The 33kV network is not suitable to provide practical power at 25kV. The main TF at the Reading grid supply point, probably has a ratio of 132/33. My point is that it could easily be 132/25. A direct ac supply would have lower impedance and losses and so would be able to supply much more power than via the pointless dc substations. A 2x40MVA supply from the 400kV supergrid is fine for high demand areas but is OTT for suburban line conversions. Engineering is optimising value for money, not spending a budget. OTC I see where you were coming from, 132kV is still used although it is not favoured, the imbalance caused by the single phase 25kV on the 132kV network can cause negative phase sequence and the resultant harmonics. 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