Title: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: JayMac on September 05, 2013, 23:21:07 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-23974522):
Quote A railway worker has been suspended after going on to train tracks in Essex to help a disabled woman who had fallen off the platform edge. The member of platform staff at Southend Central station was one of a number of people who went to the elderly woman's aid on 28 August. The tracks were clear by the time the next train arrived at the station. A spokesman for train company c2c said its employee had been suspended while an investigation took place. He said: "We have strict rules regarding the safety procedure for the quickest way of stopping trains in an emergency. An employee has been suspended while our investigation into this incident continues." 'Absolutely diabolical' Bob Crow, general secretary of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers, said the decision to suspend the worker was "diabolical". "What did they expect him to do - just stand by and watch?" he said. "All this person did was what anyone with any common sense would have done. He is one of our members and we will be supporting him. This is absolutely diabolical." The nearest train was about a quarter of a mile away when the people were on the tracks. The driver did not have to apply emergency brakes. An East of England Ambulance spokeswoman said paramedics were called at about 18:15 BST to treat a disabled woman, aged in her early 70s, who had fallen off the platform. She added the woman, a wheelchair user, was taken to hospital for checks and was not critically injured. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2013, 10:59:29 Procedures are there to be followed.
Assuming the suspension is with pay, this is correct procedure in any safety-critical situation where procedures aren't followed. There's not yet any mention of discipline procedure being applied and the suspension is to allow an investigation to take place. Bob Crow has previous in jumping guns Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: lordgoata on September 06, 2013, 11:58:50 There is also human nature to take into account. You are not supposed to run into a burning building to try and rescue people, or intervene in a fight, but people do. Its very hard to sit back and do nothing when your human nature takes over.
Could you have stood there and done nothing because procedures said otherwise ? I'm not sure I could. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2013, 12:11:40 indeed, and that's what the investigation will explore.
There has to be one, otherwise there might be a next time & that train might be a lot closer than 0.25 of a mile away.... Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: JayMac on September 06, 2013, 12:51:38 Something of a sinister twist. I hope this proves to be unfounded:
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-23984644): Quote Southend station wheelchair fall: Was woman pushed on to track? Transport police are investigating whether a woman in a wheelchair was pushed on to railway tracks. The 71-year-old woman from Benfleet was at Southend Central station, Essex, with a friend on 28 August when her wheelchair rolled off the platform. A railway worker who helped rescue her was suspended amid suggestions he may have breached safety regulations by going on to the track. The woman suffered a fractured hip in the fall. Det Con David Bishop of British Transport Police said the woman remained at Southend General Hospital. He said police wanted to speak to anybody who may have seen the woman fall, or seen her in the moments leading up to the incident. The suspended member of platform staff was one of a number of people who went to the woman's aid. 'Safety procedure' The tracks were clear by the time the next train arrived at the station. A spokesman for train company c2c said its employee had been suspended while an investigation took place. He said: "We have strict rules regarding the safety procedure for the quickest way of stopping trains in an emergency. "An employee has been suspended while our investigation into this incident continues." Bob Crow, general secretary of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers, said the decision to suspend the worker was "diabolical". "What did they expect him to do - just stand by and watch?" he asked. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Oxman on September 06, 2013, 12:54:05 The worker would not have been expected to stand by and do nothing - he/she would have been expected to follow the safety procedure which all platform staff are taught. First thing you do is contact the signaller and get a block on all lines - all trains in the area would be stopped by signals or an emergency NRN call. Then its safe for all concerned to get down on the track. You should not put yourself or others in danger by jumping straight down on to the track.
The fact is that the safety procedures such as making an emergency call, although widely taught, are not needed very often, which results in some staff following their instinct rather than their training. A suspension to allow an investigation is the correct procedure. Given everything that Mr Crow preaches about safety, I am surprised he has jumped so quickly to criticise C2C. ::) Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: SandTEngineer on September 06, 2013, 15:21:23 Hang on a minute. Isn't that prejudging what may or may not have happened. We don't know if the staff member did call the control centre or not.
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Network SouthEast on September 06, 2013, 17:53:36 First thing you do is contact the signaller and get a block on all lines - all trains in the area would be stopped by signals or an emergency NRN call. Just a point of information, but NRN is no longer in use in southern England, and is gradually being switched off in the rest of Great Britain. Trains operating on the Southend line would be using GSM-R. And as anside, even when NRN was operational, C2C didn't use it - when the class 357 trains were delivered they had CSR (Cab Secure Radio) instead. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: trainer on September 06, 2013, 17:58:51 Given everything that Mr Crow preaches about safety, I am surprised he has jumped so quickly to criticise C2C. ::) Hang on a minute. Isn't that prejudging what may or may not have happened. We don't know if the staff member did call the control centre or not. Quite right S&T: a lot of rushing to judgement based on the reporting of the news media, which is always unwise and not our usual practice, I think, on this forum. On a purely procedural point, in most walks of life, suspension with full pay is the usual way in which staff deemed to have been involved in a serious incident are treated and it is a neutral action. Sadly often seen as a sign of guilt and Mr Crow's knee jerk reaction adds to that impression. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Electric train on September 06, 2013, 18:15:50 Hang on a minute. Isn't that prejudging what may or may not have happened. We don't know if the staff member did call the control centre or not. Well said. My guess is the suspension is a "neutral act" on the part of the company it is not to be taken as being indicative of guilt, its purely to allow an investigation to take place, there are certain processes and procedures required under ROGS almost certainly D & A testing, also if there is a Police investigation this member of staff may be a key witness Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Super Guard on September 06, 2013, 20:39:32 I understand they may wish to take the member of staff off safety critical duties while they investigate, but could the staff member have been put on non-safety critical duties, such as general customer assistance without needing to "suspend" them ???
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: phile on September 06, 2013, 21:02:15 I presume the person in the wheel chair is very grateful to the member of staff who used his/her initiative and common sense. One can go on about rules but there may not have been to contact the signaller with a train approaching (400 yards away according to the press).
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Oxman on September 07, 2013, 00:28:23 Steady on chaps. In no way was I prejudging the case - that's why I said suspension was the right approach - to allow a full investigation.
What I tried to do was establish what should have happened and why, therefore, an investigation may be required. I was particularly hacked off by Mr Crow's hypothetical question - "what do they expect him to do - stand around and do nothing?" (or words to that effect). I was trying to point out that the expectation was that he would indeed be expected to do something, and that would be to do as he had been trained to do, and firstly make the area safe in the manner I described. If a train had been approaching, he should have run towards the train and shown a stop signal - both arms raised vertically in the air or, at night, a red light or a white light waved vigorously. At no time did I suggest what had actually happened - I only suggested what I believe should have happened and what might, therefore, be the basis of the investigation. I also suggested mitigating factors. The purpose of my post was to provide some background as to why C2C might wish to conduct an investigation and to highlight the approach taken by Mr Crow, which some may think was opportunistic and two-faced, although it's not for me to say. I have re-read my post and I cannot see how it can seen as pre-judging the situation. It makes no assertions whatsoever. As an ex-railwayman who conducted a number of safety investigations, I would be the last person to pre-judge such a case. But I do have an understanding of the background and apologise if my attempt to convey this was misunderstood. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: JayMac on September 07, 2013, 05:04:51 With my moderator hat on, I have no great concern about what has been posted in this thread. It is, in my opinion, perfectly fine to debate the issues and give opinion based on personal experience, or to give one's own view on how you would've acted in a similar situation.
Criticism of the staff member, or of c2c, would be unfounded however, as we don't have all the facts. However, I've seen none of that in this thread. Bob Crow is fair game though!* :P ;) ;D My personal take, as someone who doesn't work on the railways, (4 months agency work in a non safety critical role doesn't really count) is that I would probably have attempted a rescue, quickly taking into account my surroundings - is there a train approaching? is there a 3rd rail? who can assist? - and so on. Yes, I may have been putting myself in danger by doing so, but to stand by and do nothing and then see someone injured or killed would be very hard to deal with afterward. *That is personal opinion of course. ;) Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: grahame on September 07, 2013, 05:50:23 At least half a dozen moderators / admins have seen this thread and if any one of us had concerns they would have been expressed on our "behind the counter" board, or acted in public. The 'metrics' of this are such that we'll tend to be over responsive - so the inaction is a blessing from lots of different people.
The story continues ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/alan-chittock-hero-railway-worker-2257263? Now some general comment with a "personal view" label. Where something extraordinary, and as serious as being an incident which could have lead to loss of life, happens, it's correct to take a careful and analytic look back and see what can be learned. And that means gathering data from all concerned ... with all concerned being treated in such a way that they are not distracted from that data gathering. That may mean taking them off normal duties / all duties as they may well be shaken - and "the system"'s going to err on the side of safety and has to react quickly. It's probably a good idea for press releases covering such a process to make it clear that this is standard practise, and doesn't suggested either endorsement or criticism of anyone concerned. Looking back at situations that have come up on the forum here in the past, I'm struck by how often initial reactions suggest a different background to what turns out to have happened, and remind us that each case is individual and worthy of the investigations which - in some cases - are utterly frustrating to the travelling public. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: trainer on September 07, 2013, 11:43:53 Perhaps I rushed to (a wrong) judgement about Oxman's posting. Apologies are in order and I give them here. Hoist with my own petard, I fear.
I was most concerned about Bob Crow's apparent judgement that nothing was wrong, before the inquiry was completed. Actually, I hope he's right and I think it's wonderful that railway personnel can be so committed as to risk themselves for the public - which I suspect they do more than we know. But the company isn't automatically wrong anymore than the employee. So neutral I remain. With that, I now fall silent on the matter. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: eightf48544 on September 07, 2013, 14:51:26 This incident has raised a question I've been pondering for a long time. It was mentioned about contacting the signal man who may be many miles away. So how do platform staff contact the signalman in an emergency?
I've also condsidered what I would do if I was at Taplow when it was unmanned and somebody or something fell on the track. You could call the emergency help point but that's not to the signalman so would add delay. My solution would be to use the signal telephone and risk being procescuted afterwards. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Network SouthEast on September 07, 2013, 15:04:50 Network Rail have a telephone number for emergency calls from members of the public, which is staffed 24 hours a day.
08457 11 41 41 Store it on your mobile phone now! :) Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: thetrout on September 07, 2013, 16:52:19 As a side, from 8f's conundrum. I would probably also use the signallers telephone and risk a prosecution. Failing that I would either morse code an SOS with my Maglite or Assist light on my mobile. Ideally try and make that a red light. Nearby rear bike light could also work and wave frantically at the driver of any approaching train.
To be honest I'm loathed to recommend that 0845 number considering how much they cost to call from mobiles. Upwards of 40p per minute on some networks! Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: bobm on September 07, 2013, 18:53:22 To be honest I'm loathed to recommend that 0845 number considering how much they cost to call from mobiles. Upwards of 40p per minute on some networks! The Say No to 0870 app on my phone translates the number to 020 7557 8000. For fairly obvious reasons I have not tested it! Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: thetrout on September 07, 2013, 21:00:26 Thanks Bob. I was going to suggest that. (Great Minds think alike :P ) However I did not have access to the App at the time.
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: stuving on September 07, 2013, 21:26:01 To be honest I'm loathed to recommend that 0845 number considering how much they cost to call from mobiles. Upwards of 40p per minute on some networks! The Say No to 0870 app on my phone translates the number to 020 7557 8000. For fairly obvious reasons I have not tested it! 08457 11 41 41 they describe as their 24-hour "helpline", but do also say it is for emergencies. For speed of contacting a signaller, I wonder how well it works. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: grahame on September 07, 2013, 21:53:14 For speed of contacting a signaller, I wonder how well it works. I had to call it once; think I just went for the 0845 (who cares about 40p if it's life critical?) I'm trying to recall the metrics of the call sequence (more remember the incident), but I was quite impressed at the speed with which the line was closed. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: anthony215 on September 07, 2013, 22:28:23 Reading about this inccident here and on other forums I do agree that Bob crow is rushing into this a bit. I think there is more ot this than we know about which we will most likely find out in the next few months
C2C 's managment are following the procedures which states that any member of staff should be suspended after a incident while an investigation is carried out which is fair enough. In hindsight perhaps we can say this member of staff could have done things differently but I have to wonder what would anyone else have done had they been in his shoes. If he had stood back and something more serious had happened I think the press would have had a field day Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2013, 11:07:53 THe TOC needed to get out there the fact that suspension *on full pay* is a neutral act, to enable investigation to be completed, and *not* a negative - and done is most professions. Poor PR, both on TOC & RMT/Bob Crow
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2013, 14:30:21 Sorry, I'd use the signal telephone & take the risk eather than 999....
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Network SouthEast on September 09, 2013, 14:41:35 What if there's no SPT though? There are a few stations out there with no signals at the end of platforms.
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on September 09, 2013, 14:56:45 Hmm, Southend Central?.....
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Oxman on September 10, 2013, 22:55:43 From the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-24041055 The worker has been reinstated. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 12, 2013, 01:10:37 Thanks for posting that, Oxman.
Purely for those who read this forum on equipment which may not make it easy to follow links, here is the news item, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-24041055): Quote Southend station wheelchair rail rescue man reprieved A railway worker suspended after going on to a train track to help a disabled woman who had fallen off the platform edge has been reinstated. The customer service assistant at Southend Central station in Essex was one of a number of people who went to the elderly woman's aid on 28 August. The Rail Maritime and Transport union (RMT) said the c2c employee would now return to work. RMT general secretary Bob Crow said it was a "victory for common sense". The worker had faced a disciplinary hearing after suggestions he had not followed correct health and safety procedures. The woman suffered a fractured hip in the fall. A c2c spokesman said: "A c2c employee has returned to full duties following our investigation into the incident at Southend Central station. While the employee helped members of the public to remove the passenger from the track, he accepted his immediate duty was to ensure all trains were stopped. This is to protect the safety of all involved, including those who were already on the track aiding the passenger." Mr Crow added: "Our member is a hero who should never have been facing the sack for saving a disabled woman from a life-threatening situation. Our member has thanked the union, his work colleagues and the public for all of their support. This incident has shown once again how important station staff are to passenger safety and security." Interesting use of the words 'reprieved' and 'reinstated' by the BBC, if the suspension was indeed a 'neutral act'. ::) Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on September 12, 2013, 10:54:05 Crap journalism basically.
Also, he only faced a disciplinary IF the investigation came out against. It didn't presumably, so he never did. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: smokey on September 12, 2013, 18:02:03 Now that Common sense has ruled,
Let everyone consider this, You are a member of platform staff who happens to know the next down train has left Station A 3 mins ago, the train journey to your station B is 4 minutes, so train due very soon, a wheelchair with person has just gone over the down platform edge, ARE you really going to run into a room and ring the Signaller whichs equals Person dead, or would you check you have time, jump down and pull wheelchair person clear of running line? WELL what would you do? Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: phile on September 12, 2013, 18:44:04 I haven't heard of anything from C2C. Perhaps due to the weight of opinion in favour of the chap, they have egg on their faces but won't admit it.
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on September 13, 2013, 12:12:02 No egg as correct procedure followed
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: MrC on September 13, 2013, 18:21:05 You are a member of platform staff who happens to know the next down train has left Station A 3 mins ago, the train journey to your station B is 4 minutes, so train due very soon, a wheelchair with person has just gone over the down platform edge, ARE you really going to run into a room and ring the Signaller whichs equals Person dead, or would you check you have time, jump down and pull wheelchair person clear of running line? WELL what would you do? Ring the signaller no question and/or make an emergency signal (both hands above head, or display a red light or flag, or wave any light) to the driver of the approaching train. Some other things to think about, depending on location etc.
The first thing drummed into any railway person's head is to look after your own safety as you're no use at all if you get injured, and can make things much worse. Platform staff should be aware of how to contact the signaller in an emergency at their location - it's part of their training and assessments. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 20, 2013, 17:40:12 From the Rail Accident Investigation Branch website (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/130828_southend_and_whyteleafe_stations.cfm):
Quote Incidents involving a wheelchair rolling off Southend station platform on 28 August 2013 and a pushchair rolling off Whyteleafe station platform on 17 September 2013 The RAIB is investigating two similar incidents which both involved wheeled transport rolling off a station platform and onto the track. The first incident occurred at Southend Central and involved a wheelchair with an elderly occupant. The lady suffered a broken hip as a result of the fall. The second incident occurred at Whyteleafe and involved a pushchair with a young child. The child suffered only minor injuries in the accident. In neither case did a train arrive before the individuals concerned had been returned to the platform. At 18:13 hrs on 28 August 2013 an elderly lady and her carer were escorted by a member of station staff onto the platform at Southend Central station. The wheelchair was positioned mid-way along the platform, facing the railway, awaiting the arrival of the train. The wheelchair^s parking brake was not applied and neither the carer nor the member of staff noticed it starting to move towards the railway. It then fell off the platform with the occupant still strapped inside. While passengers and a member of station staff went to assist the lady, the driver of the approaching train was called to warn him of the potential obstruction, but he had already observed passengers climbing back onto the platform and clear of the railway. The examination of the platform revealed a gradient towards the track was present in the area where the wheelchair was originally positioned. (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources/Southend_web.jpg) Image of platform at Southend Central station At about 10:40 hrs on 17 September 2013, a lady with a small child and a baby in a pushchair arrived at Whyteleafe station. She stopped at the platform ticket machine, leaving the pushchair parallel with the railway while she purchased a ticket. She did not apply the hand brake on the pushchair and did not notice that it had started to roll forward. The pushchair then turned through 90 degrees and fell onto the track, narrowly missing the live conductor rail. The lady and other passengers jumped onto the track to recover the baby and pushchair. Examination of the platform identified that a gradient was present around the area where the ticket machine had been installed, both parallel with the track and falling towards it. (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources/Whyteleafe_web.jpg) Image of platform at Whyteleafe station Historically, guidance on station design has indicated the desirability of gradients on platforms falling away from the track. The RAIB^s investigation will examine the circumstances under which both of these platforms had gradients sloping towards the track, and the extent to which the same situation occurs elsewhere on the railway network. It will also review the extent to which this hazard is recognised by the railway industry and the steps taken to manage the risk. The RAIB^s investigation is independent of any investigation by the Office of Rail Regulation. The RAIB will publish its findings, including any recommendations to improve safety, at the conclusion of its investigation. This report will be available on the RAIB website. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: JayMac on October 20, 2013, 18:49:42 Excellent to see another potential hazard being identified and investigated.
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 09, 2013, 11:12:01 Another incident at Whyteleafe - from ThisIsSurreyToday (http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/story-20057135-detail/story.html?):
Quote Trains cancelled after car flips on to track Trains between Caterham and Purley are currently cancelled after a car flipped on to track in the early hours of this morning. Fire crews were called to the scene at Whyteleafe South rail station at about 4.50am after reports that the car was on the line. (http://www.surreymirror.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276435/Article/images/20057135/5471586.jpg) Trains remain cancelled as engineers work to remove the obstruction (picture submitted by Ian Stratton) They attended and made the scene safe but no-one is thought to have been injured. According to National Rail the disruption is due to last until further notice and passengers are advised to find alternative routes. They have advised that passengers may use London buses on route 407 between Caterham and West Croydon. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: bobm on November 09, 2013, 11:52:58 Could be a lengthy job - is that badly distorted conductor rail in the middle of the picture?
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: paul7575 on November 09, 2013, 11:59:06 Could be a lengthy job - is that badly distorted conductor rail in the middle of the picture? Looks like it, so maybe the car caught the ramp end of the con rail at speed. They are lucky it didn't damage the 'shopping trolley' between the tracks... ;D ;D Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 09, 2013, 13:50:06 Ah, yes: the infamous 'shopping trolley picture (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=7170.0)'. ;)
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 09, 2013, 14:35:11 From ThisIsSurreyToday (http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/story-20057625-detail/story.html?):
Quote UPDATE: Four men injured after car flips on to railway lines Four men were taken to hospital after a car flipped on to its roof and landed on the tracks at Whyteleafe South rail station earlier this morning. The men, aged between 17 and 30, were travelling in a black Vauxhall Astra on the southbound carriageway of the A22 Godstone Road before the vehicle lost control and left the road, coming to a stop on the railway line. (http://www.surreymirror.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276435/Article/images/20057625/5471656.jpg) Four men were injured after the car flipped on to its roof on the tracks near Whyteleafe South station (picture by Ian Stratton) They were taken to East Surrey Hospital and St George^s Hospital, Tooting. One of the men is said to have suffered serious injuries and remains in a serious but stable condition. The other men suffered minor injuries. Emergency responders from police, Surrey Fire and Rescue and South East Coast Ambulance Service attended. Salmons Lane is currently closed for rail repairs at the junction with Godstone Road. Police are carrying out further enquiries to establish the exact circumstances surrounding the collision and are liaising with colleagues at Network Rail and British Transport Police as part of the on-going investigation. No other vehicles were involved. Anyone who witnessed the collision or saw the manner of driving of the vehicle prior to the incident should call Surrey Police^s Collision Investigation Unit on 01483 639922, quoting reference P13341651, or call independent charity Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 09, 2013, 14:57:00 That latest picture, by the way, shows that the 'shopping trolley' was fairly comprehensively demolished ... ::)
Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 09, 2013, 15:03:27 More pictures of the scene, from the Croydon Advertiser (http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/story-20057136-detail/story.html?):
Quote UPDATE: Four injured as car flips and lands on railway line at Whyteleafe South (http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276430/Article/images/20057136/5471588-large.jpg) (http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276430/Article/images/20057136/5471593-large.jpg) The car landed on the railway line between Caterham and Purley (pictures by Ian Stratton) Four men have been taken to hospital after their car flipped and landed on the railway line at Whyteleafe South. The men were travelling in a black Vauxhall Astra southbound on the A22 Godstone Road when the vehicle lost control just before 5am. Aged between 17 and 30, the men were taken to East Surrey Hospital and St George^s Hospital, Tooting. One is said to have suffered serious injuries and remains in a serious but stable condition. Southern train services are suspended between Caterham and Purley until the line is cleared. Services will be cancelled and subject to short notice changes. TFL Bus route 407 is accepting ticket holders between Caterham and Croydon. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 16, 2014, 00:50:16 News of the publication of the Rail Accident Investigation Branch report (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/140814_R172014_Southend_Whyteleafe.pdf) has already been posted elsewhere on the Coffee Shop forum (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=14368.msg159305#msg159305), but purely in the interests of continuity and completeness, I'm posting details in this specific topic, too.
Quote Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) has today released its report (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2014/report172014.cfm) into accidents involving a wheelchair rolling onto the track at Southend Central, 28 August 2013; and a pushchair rolling onto the track at Whyteleafe, 18 September 2013. RAIB has made four recommendations and also identified one learning point. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: stuving on August 19, 2014, 12:51:17 Now, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28840583)
Quote 18 August 2014 Last updated at 20:48 Surrey and Essex sloping platform risk 'not recognised' (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/70564000/jpg/_70564559_stations.jpg) The fall onto the tracks of a woman at Southend (left) and a baby at Whyteleafe both happened last September The rail industry does not recognise the danger of sloping platforms, a report into the falls of a child in a pushchair and a wheelchair user found. The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) was investigating why Southend Central and Whyteleafe stations had platforms "sloping towards the track". It found many similar incidents had been recorded as being the fault of the passengers involved. Network Rail said it was looking at better ways of warning passengers. A baby in the pushchair had been left parallel with the track at the Surrey station on 17 September 2013. It "narrowly missed the live conductor rail", said an RAIB spokesman. Broken hip The mother and other passengers jumped onto the track to rescue the child, who was left with minor injuries. In a similar incident in Southend in Essex, a 71-year-old woman in a wheelchair suffered a broken hip. She had been positioned mid-way along the platform when she started to roll forward and she fell onto the track. A worker at the station and other passengers rescued her from the line. The RAIB recommended Network Rail and the Association of Train Operating Companies carry out work to manage the risks of platform slopes. "The industry had not recognised the part that sloping platforms had played in the incidents," the report said. 'Identify highest risk' The report also said the railway industry had generally recorded previous similar incidents as being due solely to errors by the people concerned. A Network Rail spokesman said: " We are focusing on how we can tackle the issue of platform slopes and provide better warnings to passengers." He said Whyteleafe station had been built in 1900 with the platform sloping towards the track, "probably to help water drain away". "Network Rail is now building a database of stations with platform slopes and will use this to identify the highest risk locations and actions that we can take to reduce the risk," he said. Title: Re: Track incidents at Southend and Whyteleafe Post by: ChrisB on August 19, 2014, 13:39:11 Another way we have to protect ourselves from our own errors. This time is assuming everything is level, without checking. That's what brakes are for.
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