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Title: West Country Crescent
Post by: grahame on July 15, 2013, 17:24:48
We have a Cornwall Crescent, a Somerset Crescent, a Dorset Cresent and a Wiltshire Crescent just up the road from where I live in Melksham. And it struck me we could while away the hot afternoons with a game of "West Country Cresent".   It's played to the rules of Mornington Cresent, using main network rather than underground stations.  Diagonal shifts on lines served only by diesel trains are not permitted as obviosuly that would shorten the game, and the objective is not to get to Mornington Crescent but to Melksham.

I's going to start you at St Budeaux Ferry Road


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: JayMac on July 15, 2013, 17:50:12
I believe that in one of the sub-paragraphs of Stovold's Mornington Crescent Almanac, there is reference to a move being permitted on foot in daylight hours. Such a move can be made outside the traditional area of the Mornington Crescent game, and as the opening move finds us at St Budeaux Ferry Road, I offer up the move, on foot, to:

St Budeaux Victoria Road.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: thetrout on July 15, 2013, 18:53:42
Crescent in Bath as well ;)


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: grahame on July 15, 2013, 19:03:30
Crescent in Bath as well ;)

If that's a move to Bath Spa, I think I can then slide over to St. Andrew's Road since today's a Monday.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: JayMac on July 15, 2013, 19:10:33
Sorry, but I have to cry foul.

St Budeaux Victoria Road direct to Bath Spa cannot possibly be allowed. I can see no way that the rules permit such a move.

To that end, I'm lodging an official appeal to the F^ration Internationale des r^gles Mornington Crescent

I therefore contend that we are still at St Budeaux Victoria Road.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: bobm on July 15, 2013, 19:12:28
While I love I am Sorry I haven't a clue I confess I have never understood Mornington Crescent.  I know that is partly the point - but even so it frustrates me no end!


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: grahame on July 15, 2013, 19:37:30
Sorry, but I have to cry foul.

St Budeaux Victoria Road direct to Bath Spa cannot possibly be allowed. I can see no way that the rules permit such a move.


Ah yes - I got my Ferry Road and Victoria Roads mixed up - as I understand it that makes the move to Bath Spa a diesel diagonal shift which isn't permitted (yet) in this variety.  Come 2016 it will be cool.   Let's carry on at Starcross as that's clearly a valid follow under umpire's discretion from Victoria Road or from Bath Spa.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 15, 2013, 22:08:33
Reverse shunt at Newton Abbot!


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: trainer on July 15, 2013, 22:44:18
I am struggling to apply the Mornington Crescent Rules to the Network, but I'll have a go.  Noting the phase of the Moon and the reintroduction of freight services to the erstwhile Mortonhampstead branch, I'm moving to Ivybridge.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: thetrout on July 15, 2013, 22:56:53
I therefore contend that we are still at St Budeaux Victoria Road.

I blame a signal failure and the permanent 15mph Speed Restriction on the Tamar Bridge :D

I'm moving to Ivybridge.

In that case I resurrect my original statement of Bath Spa by way of the IVY SPA closely associated to an American Spa in Minneapolis and Bath Spa also having the Thermae Bath Spa...

Have I got it right yet??


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 15, 2013, 23:55:30

Have I got it right yet??


No.

I think you're trying to apply the Duckworth-Lewis method; a schoolboy error when the barometer is this high.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: JayMac on July 16, 2013, 00:37:50
So, I think one of the preceding players had a time machine and we've ended up at Mortenhampstead. So I offer up Halwill Junction by bus via Okehampton.

A move by bus is permitted when no alternative by rail is possible. I refer folks to my made up interpretation of the rules.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: JayMac on July 16, 2013, 00:46:26
I have never understood Mornington Crescent.  I know that is partly the point

It's entirely the point!  ;D


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: grahame on July 16, 2013, 03:38:35
Halwill Junction

Clapham Junction


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 16, 2013, 05:32:35
I have never understood Mornington Crescent.  I know that is partly the point

It's entirely the point!  ;D

Oh good I'm glad I wasn't alone !



Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2013, 08:03:44
Er, Portsmouth Arms?


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: trainer on July 16, 2013, 08:10:48
I think there's been a misunderstanding of my move to Ivybridge, which was made because of the reverse shunt at Newton Abbot AND the reintroduction of freight only towards Moretonhampstead not the town itself.  Thus I submit that bignosemac's bustitution and what follows is outside the rules introduced in 2012 under the 'Inclusion of Substitution Exclusion (2012) Weekdays Only After 09:30' amendment.

Naturally this makes a nonsense of Graham's move to Clapham Junction and FTN's subsequent Portsmouth Arms.  Sorry.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2013, 08:32:38
Blast! I knew I should've opted for Eggesford. I mean, it has an airfield AND a garden cewntre!


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: grahame on July 16, 2013, 08:37:56
... what follows is outside the rules introduced in 2012 under the 'Inclusion of Substitution Exclusion (2012) Weekdays Only After 09:30' amendment ...

But that's only applicable where the bus substitution is a temporary feature, in order to discourage double claims on BSOG. So the move stands.

From Portsmouth Arms to ... Stromeferry {{Parallel Passenger rule applied for 2006/7 - 1012 tickets each}}

Blast! I knew I should've opted for Eggesford. I mean, it has an airfield AND a garden cewntre!

Nope, I think Portsmouth Arms is fine.  The bus used was a permanent one.   I do wonder when Eggesford will become Chickenford though ...


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: trainer on July 16, 2013, 09:02:09
I think Eggesford used to be Chickenford...but I may have it the wrong way round.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 16, 2013, 09:03:28
Aha! Okehampton - try getting out of that on a weekday!


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: thetrout on July 16, 2013, 13:18:22
My move from Ivybridge - Bath Spa I declare as Valid. There is a direct train ;)

However due to the appalling levels of vegetarian hot food in the Buffet, I suggest a break of journey at Cullompton Services by jumping out of the droplight of a passing HST*

* - Don't ever do it... It would be a fast way to make a railway pizza...


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 16, 2013, 13:40:45
My move from Ivybridge - Bath Spa I declare as Valid. There is a direct train ;)

However due to the appalling levels of vegetarian hot food in the Buffet, I suggest a break of journey at Cullompton Services by jumping out of the droplight of a passing HST*

* - Don't ever do it... It would be a fast way to make a railway pizza...


No-one told me we were applying Nabb's rule!


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: stuving on July 16, 2013, 13:49:48
No-one told me we were applying Nabb's rule!

Well, that's the trouble with playing with no referee (or "moderator", in the nuclear engineering sense).

I was surprised to see Graham start this at all - given the tendency of threads on this forum that start well anchored in the logosphere (where rationality prevails) to turn crescent-shaped.


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: grahame on July 16, 2013, 14:01:21
I was surprised to see Graham start this at all ...

I surprised myself ... OK - without explicit exclusion, Nabb's rule is applied - the assumption being made that all rules that are not excluded are included.   Having said which, this is academic as we're now stuck at Okehampton.   I tried to get out using the B1 bus service but understand that ran very briefly - and we've missed the weekly visit of the mobile library to hitch a ride on that.

I'm going to declare virtual Sunday so that we can move, and ask myself why I started the thread!


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 16, 2013, 14:09:39
I was surprised to see Graham start this at all ...

I surprised myself ... OK - without explicit exclusion, Nabb's rule is applied - the assumption being made that all rules that are not excluded are included.   Having said which, this is academic as we're now stuck at Okehampton.   I tried to get out using the B1 bus service but understand that ran very briefly - and we've missed the weekly visit of the mobile library to hitch a ride on that.

I'm going to declare virtual Sunday so that we can move, and ask myself why I started the thread!

In that case, I shall apply the Ellis Principle and declare Melksham!


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: grahame on July 16, 2013, 14:13:08
In that case, I shall apply the Ellis Principle and declare Melksham!

Sounds attractive - but I don't think the Ellis Principle has been tested outside the Wiltshire / Bristol / Bath travel-to-work area. Okehampton commuter flows are Sundays, aren't they?


Title: Re: West Country Crescent
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 16, 2013, 15:40:28
In that case, I shall apply the Ellis Principle and declare Melksham!

Sounds attractive - but I don't think the Ellis Principle has been tested outside the Wiltshire / Bristol / Bath travel-to-work area. Okehampton commuter flows are Sundays, aren't they?

I think you are confusing the Ellis Principle with the Ellis Prerogative - an easy mistake to make - but the effect is the same; Okehampton it is.



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