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Title: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Lee on December 18, 2007, 11:28:06
Drivers using the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint ferries this Christmas will get a seasonal bonus - no tolls (link below.)
http://thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=133464&command=displayContent&sourceNode=133158&contentPK=19292362&folderPk=78031&pNodeId=133174

They will pass free through the toll booths on the bridge on Christmas Day, although they are asked to watch out for staff crossing the road as they do so.

On the ferries, tolls will be suspended from 8pm on Christmas Eve until 6am on Boxing Day.


Title: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 04, 2008, 20:07:39
The cost of crossing the Tamar Bridge could be hiked by 40 per cent, from 50p to 70p for concessionary users. Bridge bosses are urging Plymouth and Saltash residents to get involved in a concessionary crossing toll consultation process and voice their views on the proposed increase.

The Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Committee is looking at the possibility of increasing the TamarTag tolls across the bridge from 50p to 70p for every journey from January, next year - a 40 per cent rise. The committee is also looking at the possibility of increasing cash tolls in 2010.

See http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Plan-hike-bridge-tolls-40-cent/article-206264-detail/article.html


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: eightf48544 on July 05, 2008, 12:03:34
Are they going to use the extra money to double track the rail bridge?


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Lee on September 27, 2008, 19:11:25
Tolls for crossing the Tamar Bridge and using the Torpoint Ferry look set to rise by 50 per cent next year, it was revealed today (link below.)
http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Tamar-crossing-tolls-50-cent/article-358198-detail/article.html

One-off cash fares will jump from ^1 to ^1.50 and concessionary users will be charged 75p rather than 50p from December 2009 at both crossings.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 16, 2008, 16:30:25
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Drivers who cross the River Tamar from Cornwall into Devon may have to pay 50p more from next year.

The Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee has issued 25,000 leaflets to bridge and ferry users about the proposed toll increase.

The 50% rise, scheduled for December 2009, is the first cash toll rise since 1994 and will bring the cost to ^1.50.

The committee said many routine costs had increased year on year, often at a faster rate than inflation.

Discounted prepaid tolls will also rise from 50p to 75p.

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7731376.stm


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Naz Nomad on November 16, 2008, 19:29:00
Are they going to use the extra money to double track the rail bridge?

LOL !!


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 21, 2008, 21:33:31
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Town councillors in Cornwall want plans for a 50% increase in toll charges to cross the River Tamar to be reviewed.

At a meeting on Thursday night, Saltash Town Council recommended the 50% rise should be reviewed and should not be such a substantial increase.

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7739859.stm

For video report, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7740381.stm


Title: Cornwall and Devon river crossing toll rise enforced
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 19, 2010, 20:16:07
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8576060.stm):

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An increase in bridge and ferry tolls enabling drivers to cross between Devon and Cornwall has come into force - with car drivers having to pay a 50% rise.
The increase in costs to use the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint ferries was approved by the government following a public inquiry in January.
Car drivers now have to pay ^1.50 - and regular users with a Tamar Tag are charged 75p instead of 50p.
The rises are the first since 1994 and also affect goods vehicles and coaches.
The crossings are jointly run by Cornwall Council and Plymouth City Council through the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Joint Committee.
The committee has said in the past that a rise was "essential" because without it the gap between income and spending was expected to be ^2.5m a year by 2011-12, as the routine costs of maintaining the crossings had increased. It also said that it recognised a price increase was "particularly unwelcome" but that a rise had been deferred "for as long as possible".
However, John McGoldrick, of the National Alliance Against Tolls, said he was disappointed that the toll increases were approved and then enforced with such speed. "Bridge users will be shocked that this whacking increase in tolls has been implemented so quickly," he said. "Those who realise that the cost of building the bridge was paid off many years ago, and that the tolls are now used to subsidise the losses on the ferry, will also feel that there is no justice in this system. It is long past the time that the bridge tolls were removed and traffic allowed to flow freely."


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 31, 2012, 20:25:17
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16817107):

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River Tamar bridge and ferry tolls 'may increase'

Tolls for the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry between Devon and Cornwall could increase because fewer people are using them, managers say.

The routes at Plymouth see about 50,000 vehicles using the bridge on an average weekday and 8,000 vehicles on the ferry during a busy weekday.

Manager said that traffic levels had dropped by about 5%, recently.

The toll for cars and vans is ^1.50, with larger vehicles charged more. Tolls last went up in March 2009.

No figures of how much tolls could increase by have been published.

Councillor Martin Leaves, of Conservative-led Plymouth City Council, who is also joint chairman of the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry Committee, said it was "unclear why traffic volume had dropped".

"It could be because people are being more environmentally aware and not travelling, or maybe they are using the [further north] A30 instead," he said.

"If that gets any worse, we would have look at whether we should increase the tolls."

The committee, which is run by Plymouth City Council and Cornwall Council, said it was monitoring the situation before it decided on any rises.

When the tolls were last increased in 2009, they went up by 50%, from ^1 to ^1.50. It was the first rise since 1994.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: JayMac on February 01, 2012, 14:29:49
So. Usage is dropping and one of the reasons posited is that folk are using an alternative route instead. Solution:  Raise tolls.  ::)

Why not lower them and see whether that brings folks back to using the Tamar crossings. Never know, might actually increase revenue.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: LiskeardRich on February 01, 2012, 19:44:22
what is FGW growth between cornwall and plymouth looking like. I have a suspicion that a lot more people are using the train, or at least thats how it looks to me when i've gone by train recently


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Andy on February 01, 2012, 21:26:06
There's also the small matter of the economic crisis; the unemployed no longer travel to work across the bridge and others feeling the pinch may be making fewer trips or choosing alternative or public modes of transport.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: MrC on February 04, 2012, 17:29:36
Erm, surely if less traffic is using the bridge then wear and tear costs reduce as well? Sounds like they want their cake and to eat it as well.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Btline on February 04, 2012, 22:49:04
The tolls should be axed. Fleeced motorists pay enough already. Let's get this economy moving again!

Same with the Severn Bridge Tolls, which are effectively a tax for entering Wales, suppressing growth and draining the local economy.

Then axe the M6 Toll and get the whole West Midlands moving again. It's scandalous that fuming motorists sit in long traffic queues, belching out fumes, whilst there are 6 empty lanes of traffic with the odd BMW whizzing past at 90mph.

Think how much house prices and the value of businesses would soar if the tolls were to go!

As for increasing the tolls - daylight robbery. An attempt to suffocate South East Cornwall and cut it off from the rest of the UK.

Scotland can afford it, and the economic benefits would far outweigh the loss of revenue, most of which is profit and lines the pockets of the bridge companies.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: John R on February 04, 2012, 22:58:28

Then axe the M6 Toll and get the whole West Midlands moving again. It's scandalous that fuming motorists sit in long traffic queues, belching out fumes, whilst there are 6 empty lanes of traffic with the odd BMW whizzing past at 90mph.


But the company that built the motorway, under a legally binding contract, is entitled to collect the tolls. Unless the government buys it out, based on the future income that the Toll operator would be foregoing. That would (I'm guessing) cost billions. Hardly a priority in the current financial environment.

As it happens, the number of vehicles using the toll road has fallen by around 25% in the last five years, as Managed Motorway operation on the M6 around Brum has reduced delays on that route and thus made the toll road less attractive. It's fair to say that the investors in the road have probably lost money, which is probably why there isn't much talk of any further such ventures.     


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: devon_metro on February 04, 2012, 23:48:06
The tolls should be axed. Fleeced motorists pay enough already. Let's get this economy moving again!

Same with the Severn Bridge Tolls, which are effectively a tax for entering Wales, suppressing growth and draining the local economy.

Then axe the M6 Toll and get the whole West Midlands moving again. It's scandalous that fuming motorists sit in long traffic queues, belching out fumes, whilst there are 6 empty lanes of traffic with the odd BMW whizzing past at 90mph.

Think how much house prices and the value of businesses would soar if the tolls were to go!

As for increasing the tolls - daylight robbery. An attempt to suffocate South East Cornwall and cut it off from the rest of the UK.

Scotland can afford it, and the economic benefits would far outweigh the loss of revenue, most of which is profit and lines the pockets of the bridge companies.

Tolls pay to maintain the bridges, which probably aren't cheap to maintain. Where is the money coming from to maintain these bridges? If it was free to cross the Tamar, it wouldn't make me any more likely to go to Cornwall for the day.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Btline on February 05, 2012, 15:39:53
As I've already said, more money will be unlocked from the local economy to pay for the bridge maintenance. I wonder how much richer the Isle of Skye is now since the tolls were axed? Much more than the cost of maintaining the bridge I bet!


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: devon_metro on February 05, 2012, 19:55:07
Why would the local economy give money to a private company to maintain their bridges!


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: JayMac on February 06, 2012, 01:42:47
The Tamar Bridge is publicly owned. Jointly by Plymouth City Council and Cornwall Council.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Btline on February 06, 2012, 13:32:36
Many of these toll roads have made back the money used to build them. They make more than enough for maintenance, and yet they jack up the prices. The charges are just there as part of rip off Britain. Dick Turpin is still alive!

DM - the last time I looked, the many ex-toll bridges in Scotland haven't collapsed due to a lack of maintenance! Instead, there has been a boom in the local economies, and people can move around, do business and these areas are more competitive.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 06, 2012, 19:52:50
From the Tamar Crossings (http://www.tamarcrossings.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=35727) website:

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Notable recent projects include :

^ strengthening and widening of the Tamar Bridge between 1999 and 2001 at a cost of approximately ^35 million

^ replacement of the three Torpoint Ferries in 2005 and 2006 and associated shore works at a cost of approximately ^19 million

^ Tamar Bridge Toll Plaza Refurbishment and the Introduction of Electronic Toll Collection in 2006, together costing approximately ^4.5 million

The Tamar Bridge and Torpoint Ferry remain critical components of the region's transport infrastructure helping to safeguard the economic wellbeing of Plymouth and South East Cornwall.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: John R on February 06, 2012, 22:35:09

DM - the last time I looked, the many ex-toll bridges in Scotland haven't collapsed due to a lack of maintenance! Instead, there has been a boom in the local economies, and people can move around, do business and these areas are more competitive.

Would you care to let us know where exactly you looked to come to those conclusions.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Btline on February 06, 2012, 23:01:52
Would you care to let us know where exactly you looked to come to those conclusions.

At the bridges..? ::) They are still there.

Plus it's common sense. If you charge to go over a bridge, cash strapped motorists will minimise trips. Would you locate a business over a toll bridge and pay for each delivery, for clients, etc to cross each time?


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: ellendune on February 06, 2012, 23:27:22
Just how many toll have been scrapped in Scotland.  I was only aware of one - the Skye Bridge.

The fact that they are still there a short time afterwards is not evidence that they are being adequately maintained. A bridge can be left to rot for some time before it shows signs of this neglect.  When it does it then costs a fortune to put right.  A problem that I believe Network Rail may be finding out from the past neglect of bridges by its predecesors.

The system of payment for major maintenece and improvement works on bridges is to capitalise them so the tolls will probably be going to pay back the loans on previous repairs.   


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 06, 2012, 23:28:59
Hmm. Abolishing tolls on bridges does not necessarily have favourable results. From the Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/scrapping_bridge_toll_adds_half_an_hour_to_road_misery_across_the_forth_1_1430170):

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Scrapping bridge toll adds half an hour to road misery across the Forth

Traffic congestion around the Forth Road Bridge has soared since the abolition of tolls, according to new figures compiled by vehicle monitoring experts.

In the five-day period leading up to the scrapping of northbound tolls by the Government on February 11, the peak morning rush hour during weekdays extended to 61 minutes. But in the five days after the payments were abolished, it stretched to an average 91 minutes ^ lengthening journey times ^ according to surveys taken by road monitoring group Trafficmaster.

The increase occurred even though three of the days surveyed were part of the school half-term holidays in southern Scotland, when traffic is traditionally expected to be lighter.

The figures will fuel the debate over the impact of road tolls on congestion, suggesting that charges do discourage drivers from using their cars.

They also suggest that experts who told the Government last August that scrapping the tolls would worsen traffic congestion were correct.

Their advice was ignored by SNP Finance Secretary John Swinney, who said the economic benefits of removing the tolls would outweigh the disadvantages.

To get the congestion statistics, Trafficmaster cameras recorded the length of the time period at which traffic was travelling at less than 30mph at Junction 2 of the M90 to the north of the bridge.

It said the increase indicated that commuters and other travellers are now abandoning public transport and taking their vehicles into Edinburgh to take advantage of the falling cost.

"Congestion has increased since abolition of the tolls," said a spokesman. "It was thought that removing the tolls would speed up traffic but this does not seem to have been the case."

Although construction costs were paid off in 1993, the tolls since then have funded the bridge's maintenance costs.

The previous Labour-Lib Dem coalition Government rejected scrapping tolls on the grounds that their removal would increase congestion as well as lose about 20m in revenue ever year. Instead, in a plan backed by former First Minister Jack McConnell, drivers would have been able to escape paying tolls if they had more than one passenger in their vehicle.

Last month, Transport Minister Stewart Stevenson signed an order marking the end of tolls on both the Forth and Tay bridges, a move that angered Green campaign groups.

Patrick Harvie, the Green Party's transport spokesman, said: "The right approach would have been smart charges (shared car use]. As predicted, simply removing the tolls has encouraged a shift to car use and away from public transport, and the result is 50% more congestion and frustration, which damages the economy, the environment and people's health."

Evidence of the effect of removing tolls emerged after they were scrapped on the Skye Bridge in 2004. Traffic volumes rose by 50% without any significant positive impact on businesses and employment, according to the Skye Bridge Socio Economic Impact Study.

The Forth Estuary Transport Authority, which operates the bridge, said it was too early to tell what effect the removal of the tolls was having on congestion.

A Scottish Government spokesman said the removal of tolls had been widely welcomed across Scotland, and added: "It can take some time for traffic flows to settle into new patterns and it is therefore difficult to sensibly measure any long-term changes."

Waiting game

Irrespective of tolls, the Forth Road Bridge still has a limited lifespan.

Investigations in 2004 found significant corrosion, resulting in a loss of strength of up to 10%. Experts agree that, if the corrosion cannot be halted, weight restrictions may have to be introduced as early as 2013.

A full dehumidification system will be in operation by late next year but it will be 18 months before engineers can determine whether the technique has been effective.

In the meantime, the Scottish Government has agreed in principle to build a new road bridge across the Forth at a cost of 4.2bn.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: John R on February 06, 2012, 23:34:35
Sorry - my quote wasn't precise enough. It was the statement about a boom in local economies and the areas being more competitive as a result of the abolition of tolls that I was intrigued to know the supporting evidence for, as it seemed very definite. But from your response "it's common sense" it's just your view.  


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 07, 2012, 08:20:05
Indeed, the evidence shows otherwise - from the Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/scrapping_bridge_toll_adds_half_an_hour_to_road_misery_across_the_forth_1_1430170):

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Evidence of the effect of removing tolls emerged after they were scrapped on the Skye Bridge in 2004. Traffic volumes rose by 50% without any significant positive impact on businesses and employment, according to the Skye Bridge Socio Economic Impact Study.

 ::)


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Btline on February 07, 2012, 10:12:49
Just how many toll have been scrapped in Scotland.  I was only aware of one - the Skye Bridge.

All tolls have been scrapped in Scotland.

I fail to believe that report that there hasn't been benefits for Skye. By the end, it cost ^11.40 for a car and ^82.40 for a coach return. All for a few hundred yards.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 20, 2013, 15:04:19
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-24595022):

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Tamar crossing tag fee could rise by 80p a month

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/55436000/jpg/_55436465_tamar_bridge.jpg)
A consultation, which has just started, will run until 7 November

Drivers who buy electronic tags to cut the cost of crossing between Cornwall and Devon could be charged 80p a month more under new proposals.

The committee that runs the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint ferry said it was facing a shortfall of up to ^1m a year.

It is looking at increasing the charge for a Tamar Tag which currently allows drivers to cross for half the usual ^1.50 fee.

A public consultation has started and will run until 7 November.

The tolls at the two crossings were last increased in March 2010, with the Tamar Tag electronic payment scheme being introduced in 2007.

A spokesperson for the Tamar Bridge and Torpoint ferry joint committee said it was the second largest such system in the UK (after Dartford) with some 95,000 tags issued against 65,000 accounts.

The committee is looking at introducing the new fee from April 2014.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 20, 2013, 15:22:22
How would the fee increase by 80p a month? At present there is no service charge, and from their website the only charge mentioned is 50% discount on each crossing.
Is this 80p a month going to be a service charge, or each crossing have a few pence added to it, although this latter permutation would mean it would be a different charge for each user dependent on number of crossings.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 20, 2013, 15:36:06
From the consultation document (pdf) (http://www.tamarcrossings.org.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=46627&p=0):

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The Joint Committee of councillors that governs the crossings believes that the fairest and most efficient solution is to introduce a monthly TamarTag account fee of 80p from April 2014.

One assumes that the additional administrative costs of collecting 80p each month have been taken into account.


Title: Re: Tamar Crossing tolls may be increased
Post by: Pb_devon on October 20, 2013, 21:54:14
The way the tag works is by a top-up system, so users have to make sure the tag account is in credit for it to work.  Hence the 80p charge is made on the account.....simple!
For those who use the bridge occasionally then this will have a disproportionally bigger impact.



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