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Title: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2013, 11:14:18
This coming week I'm making various trips from Melksham to Farnborough (Main) and also to London.   There's a weekly season ticket at 243 pounds - Melksham to London Terminals, but the terms and conditions say valid via anything that can be done on one ticket, and there's a split needed from Melksham to Farnborough Main no matter how I do it.   However, there's also a 243 pound Trowbridge to London terminals any route, and a single Trowbridge to London ticket via Salisbury (passing Farnborough) available.

Can I buy a Trowbridge season and use that, considering that Trowbridge via Melksham is a valid London route.   Then catch the 06:38 and us a partial return leg of the season to Trowbridge, stay on the train there and do my outward partial to Farnborough?  I think I gain the extra route buying a Trowbridge ticket - but what do I loose, considering they're the same price?   As I'll be using the train from and to Melksham every day, how do I get my journeys registered in Melksham's annual figures?


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2013, 11:40:45
As a follow up .. I have just noticed that a Dilton Marsh ticket is better value - 231.70 and as far as I can see covers the same routes. Now if I was "split ticketing" I would have to be on a train that called at the split points ... but using a season going through there, it's not multiple tickets but rather the same ticket, so I can use a train from Salisbury to Westbury in the evening that does not call there - have I read that right?  Or do I need to get one that stops?  Or could stop? ... do I have to ask the morning train to stop so that I can complete my outward journey before starting my return journey, even though I have no intention of getting off the train?  All this seems daft ... but I want to make sure I understand the rules ahead of time in deciding which product I need!


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 12:33:21
If you want (and can) do all your trips via Salisbury to both Farnborough (Main) and London then there is a 7 day Season from Shirehampton* to London Terminals (via Salisbury) for ^185.70.

Add to that a 7 day Season from Melksham to Trowbridge for ^18.70 or individual Anytime Day Returns if you are only making 4 or less journeys. ^4.10 each.


*in this case it has to Shirehampton and not another Severn Beach Line station. Shirehampton is cheaper than the rest for a 7 day season.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: thetrout on April 27, 2013, 12:37:31
If you want (and can) do all your trips via Salisbury to both Farnborough (Main) and London then there is a 7 day Season from Shirehampton* to London Terminals (via Salisbury) for ^185.70.

Bedminster is cheaper for a via Salisbury season... At ^181.80

However, Grahame, may I suggest a Warminster to London any permitted route season? Valid into both Paddington AND Waterloo. So Melksham and Farnborough Main permitted routes for ^231.90; 20p more than the Dilton Marsh season and pretty much if not all trains between Westbury and Salisbury call at Warminster ;D



Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 12:44:40
Bedminster is cheaper for a via Salisbury season... At ^181.80

Well spotted! I've also just found that Patchway, Filton Abbey Wood, Stapleton Raod and Lawrence Hill are all also ^181.80


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: basset44 on April 27, 2013, 13:10:02
Hi the Trout and BNM

What am I missing here when I use the mixing desk for weekly I get a fare of 221.90 from bedminster to London terminals via Salisbury.

Just wanted to follow and learn

Basset


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: thetrout on April 27, 2013, 13:22:48
Hi Basset44

No trouble.

Try this link: http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/search (http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/search)

thetrout :) ;)


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 14:01:14
FGW's booking engine doesn't appear to have the via Salisbury Season Tickets available, even if you enter 'via Salisbury'.  ::)

That said, I cant find a ^221.90 Bedminster-London Terminals 7 Day Season at all.  :-\

Back to grahame's question about using Dilton Marsh as the origin station for the Season. Or thetrout's suggestion of Warminster. Whilst you can buy a Season marked 'Any Permitted' from either of these stations you need to know the appropriate Routeing Points and whether the 'fares check rule' is satisfied.

The appropriate Routeing Points for Warminster/Dilton Marsh are Westbury and Salisbury. The 'fares check rule' states that a route is permitted via a Routeing Point if the fare from the origin to destination is not less than the fare from the Routeing Point to destination. In this case Westbury fails the 'fares check rule' as the Westbury - London Terminals 7 Day Season (Any Permitted) is more expensive than the 7 Day Seasons (Any Permitted) from both Warminster and Dilton Marsh. That just leaves Salisbury as an appropriate Routeing Point.

That's a rather technical analysis of what's permitted on paper. However it is a little odd that there is an 'Any Permitted' 7 Day Season from Dilton Marsh/Warminster and a separate, cheaper one 'Via Salisbury'. Why offer the 'Any Permitted' when Westbury fails the 'fares check rule' for determining permitted Routeing Points? Leaving you with only Salisbury as a valid Routeing Point.

There's no easement I can see to allow travel via Westbury on the 'Any Permitted' 7 Day Season from Warminster/Dilton Marsh. However, in practice I think you'd be highly unlikely to be pulled up for being on an invalid route if you chose to travel via Westbury. Routeing Guide knowledge is patchy amongst on train staff and it does seem reasonable to be allowed to travel via Westbury on an 'Any Permitted' ticket, particularly when there is a cheaper 'Via Salisbury' option.

Whether you decide grahame to do so is entirely your decision. First line of defence would be the fact that if you were travelling on Anytime or Off Peak 'Any Permitted' tickets from Warminster/Dilton Marsh - London Terminals rather than the Season, they would pass the 'fares check rule' and permit travel via Westbury. Perverse that, by following the rules to the letter, the 'Any Permitted' Season doesn't allow travel via Westbury.

Well done grahame and the trout. You taxed my brain with yet another bonkers fares anomaly.  :P ;) ;D


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: trainer on April 27, 2013, 14:10:47
It seems that in the matter of fares on the British rail network 'there ain't no Sanity Clause' (Chico Marx)


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: Brucey on April 27, 2013, 14:56:37
Now if I was "split ticketing" I would have to be on a train that called at the split points ... but using a season going through there, it's not multiple tickets but rather the same ticket, so I can use a train from Salisbury to Westbury in the evening that does not call there - have I read that right?  Or do I need to get one that stops?  Or could stop? ... do I have to ask the morning train to stop so that I can complete my outward journey before starting my return journey, even though I have no intention of getting off the train?  All this seems daft ... but I want to make sure I understand the rules ahead of time in deciding which product I need!
It has been confirmed to me by First Great Western, Southern and South West Trains that a train does NOT need to call at the origin station in order to change routes and/or start a new journey on the same season ticket.  E.g. for me Bedhampton to London is valid both ways out of Bedhampton, so I often use it passing through the station on a service that does not call at Bedhampton.

FGW also confirmed that if I "choose" my destination as Hayes & Harlington (as it is a Z1-6 Travelcard), I can use it via. Reading.  They then went onto confirm that it IS valid on a non-stop Reading to Paddington service, using it as an outboundary ticket to Hayes then a Travelcard from there onwards.

It is worth getting customer services to answer your query so you have a printout to show any members of staff who are not clear about the routes.

A weekly Bedhampton to Z1-6 ticket is ^129.60 and is valid via. Salisbury/Reading, I'm just trying to work out if this could be combined with something that would allow you to travel from Melksham.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2013, 15:42:51
Oh my goodness ... I knew I was opening a can or worms, but not THIS big a can of worms  :-\

Back to grahame's question about using Dilton Marsh as the origin station for the Season. Or thetrout's suggestion of Warminster. Whilst you can buy a Season marked 'Any Permitted' from either of these stations you need to know the appropriate Routeing Points and whether the 'fares check rule' is satisfied.

The appropriate Routeing Points for Warminster/Dilton Marsh are Westbury and Salisbury. The 'fares check rule' states that a route is permitted via a Routeing Point if the fare from the origin to destination is not less than the fare from the Routeing Point to destination. In this case Westbury fails the 'fares check rule' as the Westbury - London Terminals 7 Day Season (Any Permitted) is more expensive than the 7 Day Seasons (Any Permitted) from both Warminster and Dilton Marsh. That just leaves Salisbury as an appropriate Routeing Point.

That appears to contradict the National Rail site which states: http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/seasonticket/tickets

Quote
Dilton Marsh (DMH) to London Terminals
Available Standard Class Adult Season Tickets (Travel is allowed by any route option shown by the Journey Planner where the journey can be made using only one ticket.)
Using National Rail services you can travel to / from the following London stations: London Bridge [LBG], London Cannon Street [CST], London Charing Cross [CHX], Vauxhall [VXH], London Blackfriars [BFR], London Waterloo East [WAE], London Victoria [VIC], London Waterloo [WAT], London Paddington [PAD], City Thameslink [CTK]

And it says nothing about being invalid via routes where the season ticket price is higher to an intermediate station.

So - does the routing guide or the contradictors web site information from National Rail take precedence?

By the way - I can't travel only via Salisbury for the week - my timing requires that I travel via Chippenham and possibly via Newbury

It has been confirmed to me by First Great Western, Southern and South West Trains that a train does NOT need to call at the origin station in order to change routes and/or start a new journey on the same season ticket.  E.g. for me Bedhampton to London is valid both ways out of Bedhampton, so I often use it passing through the station on a service that does not call at Bedhampton.

That is useful, thank you!


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: basset44 on April 27, 2013, 15:52:41
Sorry BNM,

The fare I quoted was to Farnborough (Main) I was entering a few combanations and the fare I looked at was not to London sorry.

Will one day get the hang of looking a the correct screen.

Still this is quite confusing on this journey

basset


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 16:04:52
So - does the routing guide or the contradictors web site information from National Rail take precedence?

National Rail Enquiries is, in their own words, the definitive source for rail passenger information so it should take precedence. ATOC's Rail Routeing Guide should be consulted if their is doubt over route validity. Any difference of opinion should favour the customer however, so I'd say the ticket would be fine and you have a strong case if anyone on your journeys says different.

It's also interesting to note that there are no mapped routes from Westbury to London Paddington via Bath and/or Swindon, but this is, I believe, an error in the printed Routeing Guide. The electronic Routeing Guide used by journey planners and booking engines permits travel via Bath and/or Swindon.

In summary, I'd say go for the Warminster/Dilton Marsh to London Terminals 7 Day Season (Any Permitted). Although this won't of course resolve your desire to see your journeys recorded from Melksham despite this ticket being valid through there.

And incidentally, what's wrong with the Melksham to London Terminals (Any Permitted) 7 day season apart from being around ^12 more than the one from Warminster? That would be valid via Swindon, Newbury and Salisbury and for stopping short at Farnborough (Main). Stopping/starting short and/or breaking and resuming your journey on a permitted route with a season ticket doesn't require the purchase of any additional tickets.



Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2013, 16:10:09

Whether you decide grahame to do so is entirely your decision. First line of defence would be the fact that if you were travelling on Anytime or Off Peak 'Any Permitted' tickets from Warminster/Dilton Marsh - London Terminals rather than the Season, they would pass the 'fares check rule' and permit travel via Westbury. Perverse that, by following the rules to the letter, the 'Any Permitted' Season doesn't allow travel via Westbury.


I decided to get an official answer to the specific issue of routing, in light of the contradiction and phoned FGW to check.  According to H.P. on "option 1, suboption 3" at 15:55 today, the Warminster / Dilton Marsh season ticket at 231.90 (think I quoted that 20p lower earlier) IS valid via Westbury as well as via Salisbury.  The system told me that my call was recorded, so they can wind back and check if they need to  ;D


STOP PRESS ... Thank you for your confirmation that what National Rail says takes priority ... my phone call (above) got routed through to them via the options, so I have 2 authoritative votes from them that it's OK, and one from the less authoritative routing guide that it isn't.  2 strong to one weaker is good enough for me ...


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2013, 16:15:02
And incidentally, what's wrong with the Melksham to London Terminals (Any Permitted) 7 day season apart from being around ^12 more than the one from Warminster?

I didn't think that was valid via Salisbury.    The season ticket page on National Rail says "Available Standard Class Adult Season Tickets (Travel is allowed by any route option shown by the Journey Planner where the journey can be made using only one ticket.)" and I didn't think there was one ticket available for that ... from Bradford-on-Avon and from Trowbridge, yes, and at a good price - but not from Melksham. Thus my initial look at Trowbridge, then on to other places.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 17:33:53
National Rail Enquiries Journey Planner gives me Melksham to both Farnborough (Main) and London Waterloo via Salisbury on one ticket.

Getting FGW's booking engine to sell a fare from Melksham to Farnborough (Main) via Salisbury isn't working however. That's doesn't mean it isn't valid though.

I'll reiterate. Based on all the evidence I can find; a Melksham* to London Terminals 7 Day Season (Any Permitted) is valid via Bath and/or Swindon, Newbury, and Salisbury. And also valid to stop/start/break at Farnborough (Main).

*Or Warminster/Dilton Marsh if you want to save around ^12 and not have the journeys from Melksham recorded.

Caveat. YMMV  ;)


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: swrural on April 27, 2013, 17:53:07
I don't know what YMMV means but I am not going to moan about it as I wish to shew (GWR (Great Western Railway) 'show') solidarity with users of abbs (abbreviations).

Imagine I am a GrahamE without the expertise available, as so imposingly just displayed by BNM and colleagues.

What would be the highest cost that a pax with no knowledge whatsoever of the 'tricks' available would pay compared with the best deal as uncovered by BNM?


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 18:05:59
I don't know what YMMV means but I am not going to moan about it

Please do moan. I did say on another thread that I'm sometimes guilty of using acronyms/abbreviations without divulging their definition. You've rightly flagged this one up and I apologise unreservedly. Hoist by own petard somewhat.  :-[

YMMV - Your Method/Mileage May Vary. Meaning the actual experience in the real world may differ from the that discussed in the preceeding posts.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2013, 18:24:25
Imagine I am a GrahamE without the expertise available, as so imposingly just displayed by BNM and colleagues.

What would be the highest cost that a pax with no knowledge whatsoever of the 'tricks' available would pay compared with the best deal as uncovered by BNM?

Well ... my starting point was:
* 3 days Melksham to Farnbourough at 114.00 return per day
* 2 days Melksham to London at 175.00 return per day
So I suppose the answer is 692 pounds.

I know to take a look at splits and seasons, so I had somewhat moved away from that scenario before I posted ... and had 692 pounds really been the best I could have done, I would have looked wider for a non-daily-rail alternative

Edit to correct figures.   Outbound from Melksham on Thurs and Fri mornings will be via Newbury - higher fare


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: swrural on April 27, 2013, 20:23:26
Hmm, thanks.  Forgetting elderly grannies (as of course the travel plans are self-evidently for a young thrusting business person) would it be likely that, if one phoned up, one would be offered something reasonable?

I suppose the only real way to answer that question would be to phone up as a test.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 20:50:00
If grahame were to phone up National Rail Enquiries explaining that on three seperate days he would be travelling Melksham - Farnborough (Main) and on a further 2 days in the same week he'd be travelling Melksham - London it is highly likely that the tickets he would be offered are the point-to-point ones totaling nearly ^700.

Asking if there was a Season Ticket that would cover all the trips would likely be met with the response to buy two separate Season Tickets, one for Farnborough (Main) and one for London. That would come to around ^420.

The chances of a NRE call centre employee knowing enough about the permitted routes, Routeing Guide, using different but valid origin/destination stations, starting/ending short, break of journey etc. are next to none. It being highly likely that you'll be speaking to someone in another country who is never going to know the geography of which stations are on which line of route.

You may have a slightly better chance of success at a staffed station, but this is by no means a certainty either. Ticket office clerks will often struggle with anything out of the ordinary, and it is only those who have taken a personal interest (in their own time) in the fares system, its complexities and anomalies, who may be of help. How you phrase your questions is important as well. Ask for individual journeys to different destinations over one week and its unlikely the clerk will look to see if there is a Season ticket that covers those journeys.

There is no will within the industry to either better train their staff in the dark art of the fares system or to simplify that system. So it falls to a bunch of anal amateurs like myself to try an unravel the complexity and find the best deal. Both for myself and anyone who asks.



Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2013, 21:43:24
If grahame were to phone up National Rail Enquiries explaining that on three seperate days he would be travelling Melksham - Farnborough (Main) and on a further 2 days in the same week he'd be travelling Melksham - London it is highly likely that the tickets he would be offered are the point-to-point ones totaling nearly ^700.

Asking if there was a Season Ticket that would cover all the trips would likely be met with the response to buy two separate Season Tickets, one for Farnborough (Main) and one for London. That would come to around ^420.

I thought that your comments were probably (a) accurate but also (b) not showing NR enquiries in a good light so - as it was just a phone call and wouldn't waste too much of their time - I gave it a go.  And indeed the professionals should be able to do better than us "anal amateurs" shouldn't they - so perhaps they would give us a pleasant surprise and come up with something better value still.

I was offered two separate season tickets totalling 415.50 ... good that I didn't have to ask about seasons, in fact he said "hang on - I'll check if season tickets are cheaper for that journey"  and came up with 172.50 + 243.00.  But in fact I don't need the 172.50 at all, as the 243.00 ticket (certainly if bought from Trowbridge) is valid via Farnborough anyway. After the prices were given, I specifically asked if I needed separate 7 day season tickets for the Farnborough journeys and the London journeys, and was told "yes, you do".

Also come to think of it ... 172.50 is rather steep.   3 x Trowbridge to Farnbrough anytime day returns at 27.80 each, plus 3 x Melksham to Trowbridge anytime day returns at 4.10 would work out at a total of 97.50 ...

In summary ... better advise than I feared, but still telling me to spend nearly 200 pounds more that I need ...

Important corollary question please BNM ... I already have a photocard.   Can I buy my season on the train?   Chap at Trowbridge ticket office told me I can buy it in the train (but not from him until midday tomorrow).  Chap on phone says I have to go to a manned station to buy my season. 



Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2013, 22:01:35
If you already have a photocard then yes you can buy a 7 Day Season ticket on board from a Conductor wielding an Avantix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avantix_Mobile).

He/she should be more than happy to sell a ^243 ticket. Commission, kerching!

If for any reason, he/she can't sell, then the 'earliest opportunity' requirement comes in. Be that interchange station (without delaying one's journey), the next train or destination.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 28, 2013, 19:07:07
Administrator note:

Subsequent posts on this specific topic have been split off into an ongoing general discussion of their own, at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=12362.0  :)


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 28, 2013, 19:23:56
Thanks, Chris ... off at the crack of dawn tomorrow ... let's see if I have any problems with buying and using a single season.

Actually - I'll have Saturday and Sunday too.  Wondering about a day out  ;)


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: thetrout on April 28, 2013, 23:59:52
Just wanted to add if I may that I agree with BNM on the Melksham ticket being valid via Salisbury.

I would compare it to a Super Off Peak Single from Bath Spa - London Terminals priced at ^30.50 (No Discounts) which is valid on both the 13:07 Departure from Bath Spa - London Waterloo via Salisbury yet also the 13:16 from Bath Spa - London Paddingtion via Swindon.

The latter train arrives into London over an hour earlier despite departing later. Both routes and trains are entirely valid on that ticket.

(I use trains via Salisbury to London fairly regularly ;) )



Brucey - I also agree about your Travelcard and Boundary Tickets. On my last trip back from the big smoke, I had a First Class Day Travelcard from Epsom - ZONES 1-6. So I purchased a Boundary Zone 6 - Basingstoke (BSK) ticket to continue my journey back towards Somerset. I don't know whether it would've been quibbled by Rail Staff as I wasn't ticket checked between Clapham Junction and BSK at all :(


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2013, 07:28:05
Five people joined the 06:38 this morning at Melksham .. pityful for a town of 25,000, but surprisingly strong for a service that only runs twice a day - next train 19:11.  We got chatting - all of us would prefer a later service in the morning, and an earlier one back in the evening.  One says she's getting complaints at work about being there too long ;-)

I've got a Melksham to London Termini, any route, which I think is correct. Took some finding on the Avantix, but conductor very good natured and chatty. The 243 pounds is fair IMHO (in my humble opinion), and I would much prefer to be properly registered as travelling from Melksham - real data - rather than somewhere else to save a tenner.  Feels more honest, even though Dilton Marsh would have been valid and allowed.

Amused by the conductor at Dilton Marsh, at the front door to let folk off (1) and on (3 or 4) giving the right away by shouting "Ding Ding" to the driver - who of course shouted back in a similar vein!

Beautiful morning between Warminster and Salisbury - just passing Wylye Parkway as I write.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2013, 14:24:27
I think I can guess at the answer ... but I'm asking.   Does my Melksham to London Termini (any route) ticket allow Farnbourough to Melksham via Reading (ie Farnbrough North) as well as via Salisbury (ie Farnborough Main)?  (I've noticed that the two stations are grouped somehow, and Melksham to Farnborough times and tickets are offered to either)


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: JayMac on April 29, 2013, 14:37:52
Appropriate Routeing Points for Melksham are Westbury and Chippenham. London is a Routeing Point in its own right. So to find out whether you can use Farnborough North we'd need to look at the mapped routes in the Routeing Guide for Westbury or Chippenham to London to see if any of those show a route through Farnborough North.

 Valid Routes from Melksham to London Terminals:


Shortest Route: 100.25 miles:
Melksham, Chippenham, Swindon, Reading, London Paddington

Mapped Routes (subject to fares check):

Chippenham - LONDON GROUP:
  • BL (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=7)
  • BL (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=7) + WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122)
  • LA (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=55)
  • LA (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=55) + WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122)
WESTBURY GROUP - LONDON GROUP:
  • BL (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=7)
  • WC (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=112)
  • WE (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=113)
  • WE (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=113) + WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122)
  • WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122) + WE (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=113)


Farnborough North station is on the line between Wokingham and Guildford and that line is not on any of the mapped routes. Therefore it would not be permitted to travel between Farnbourough North and Reading on a Melksham - London Terminals (Any Permitted) ticket.

A single would be required from Farnborough North to Wokingham. Wokingham being back on a permitted route. ^4.80 Peak, ^4.40 Off Peak after 0915.


Title: Re: Sanity check, please! Melksham to London, and possible splits
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2013, 15:39:05
Appropriate Routeing Points for Melksham are Westbury and Chippenham. London is a Routeing Point in its own right. So to find out whether you can use Farnborough North we'd need to look at the mapped routes in the Routeing Guide for Westbury or Chippenham to London to see if any of those show a route through Farnborough North.

 Valid Routes from Melksham to London Terminals:


Shortest Route: 100.25 miles:
Melksham, Chippenham, Swindon, Reading, London Paddington

Mapped Routes (subject to fares check):

Chippenham - LONDON GROUP:
  • BL (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=7)
  • BL (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=7) + WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122)
  • LA (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=55)
  • LA (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=55) + WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122)
WESTBURY GROUP - LONDON GROUP:
  • BL (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=7)
  • WC (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=112)
  • WE (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=113)
  • WE (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=113) + WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122)
  • WX (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=122) + WE (http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf#page=113)


Farnborough North station is on the line between Wokingham and Guildford and that line is not on any of the mapped routes. Therefore it would not be permitted to travel between Farnbourough North and Reading on a Melksham - London Terminals (Any Permitted) ticket.

A single would be required from Farnborough North to Wokingham. Wokingham being back on a permitted route. ^4.80 Peak, ^4.40 Off Peak after 0915.

Wow ... thanks.   I have to decide if 30 minutes saved is worth 4.40.  It probably is this evening, but not tomorrow.   What fun  ;D ... and the train does call at Wokingham (not that it has too, as exactly one ticket on the split is a season!)



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