Title: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: grahame on December 15, 2007, 07:40:01 I'm going to post a personal "week in review" after this intro and encourage others to do the same. But I am hoping for your sakes that you can't cap my story.
Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: grahame on December 15, 2007, 07:44:39 A week in to the new timetable. And in the last week, 27 trains have been scheduled to call at Melksham. That's one more train per week than we had before (a Sunday southbound for which we are very grateful - thank you FGW) but we remain with all the other trains running in "marginal" time - i.e. at times that no-one else wants the trains on their line. From Swindon at 06:18 (even earlier that before) or 18:45 (even later than before) ... and of this sparse and inappropriate service ...
** 4 were replace by buses ahead of time ** 4 more were cancelled at short notice ** 3 were short workings .... didn't make it all the way even between Swidnon and Westbury ** 2 were over half an hour late and that's just what I know about - a number of other "no report"s. The reporting system seems designed to work well when trains are running well, and screw up beautifully when it's most needed - at times when things are NOT running to schedule. During the week I have had just three customer journeys (we run a business in Melksham and pick up / drop off) by train ... One was half an hour late, and during my wait the information point was assuring me that there was no train expected. Top marks to the guy on the 08457 number who took down my details, made enquiries and called me back to let me know that the service would eventually turn up. One was routed from Chippenham, change at Bath, change at Westbury into one of the two trains that had come direct from Chippenham anyway to Southampton. This seems a very odd (and awkward) ticket to sell. I wonder WHY such a route was sold by FGW at that time of day, and why it didn't offer him a similarly good deal from Melksham. I am assured that it is NOT because anyone is trying to drive traffic away from the line. And the third was a few minutes late, to the extent that we wondered whether or not a quite tightconnection would make at Westbury. I was delighted to receive an email to confirm that my customer HAD made his ongoing train, so I'll leave it on that positive note. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: johoare on December 15, 2007, 19:02:54 I certainly cannot better (or is it worse!) that story.. However, for me, my morning train only managed at best 20% punctuality this week. In fact it could be 0% but I didn't get it Tuesday so have no idea what it did. So the 9.03 Maidenhead to Paddington is the new 8.51 (which also never ran on time, and has since been replaced by the 9.03).
Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Mookiemoo on December 15, 2007, 19:11:47 Refer to my early week rant regarding SDO. Monday I had to drive as had to pick up fro heathrow and could not have made Pad until after the last train to WOS. Tuesday - hell Wed/thur - tuesday put me off so much (Getting no sleep on the up train meant I was cream crackered all day) I worked from home wed/thur., Friday - SDO reversed on cotswold line and much better. Although I fear the 0545 from WOS will not remain a HST if the passenger numbers do not increase. Want WOS crew back on the 1822 - they are more generous with the free wine than Bristol. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: devon_metro on December 15, 2007, 19:15:09 I havn't travelled on the new timetable yet, but I have witnessed 6 carriages of FGW local stock departing from paignton in one hour (1000-1100), at the most it used to be two.
Even if they are pacers... Between 1000 and 1100 from Paignton on Saturday (winter!) there is the: 1005 XC service to Newcastle 1012 SW service to Waterloo 1030 GW service to Exmouth 1044 GW service to Exeter St D! Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Conner on December 15, 2007, 19:57:32 Today was awful in Cornwall!
Two HST's from London over 30 mins late. A 153 is now used on a 150 diagram, 10:00 Plymouth-Penzance. On 12:50 Penzance-Plymouth they were turning away at Redruth. A 150+153 on an old 158 diagram from Bristol which was 20 late. HST station stops take forever with SDO especially if they're unmanned. Too many 150's on mainline causing luggage mayhem. Only good point was 158762. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 15, 2007, 20:28:44 The first four
Having said all that the backup buses and taxis ran much more smoothly than they have in the past - we think they're being organised from Exeter now instead of Swindon - so at least someone at FGW is trying... Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: johoare on December 15, 2007, 22:19:41 Ooh, I like the idea of refusing to travel if you have to stand, and taking a coach instead.. Do you think that would work on the commuter services into London?
Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Conner on December 15, 2007, 22:35:39 Ooh, I like the idea of refusing to travel if you have to stand, and taking a coach instead.. Do you think that would work on the commuter services into London? Didn't wprk in Cornwall and those people couldn't get on physically.Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: johoare on December 15, 2007, 22:38:46 Ooh, I like the idea of refusing to travel if you have to stand, and taking a coach instead.. Do you think that would work on the commuter services into London? Didn't wprk in Cornwall and those people couldn't get on physically.Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: gaf71 on December 16, 2007, 10:47:36 The first four There are now what used to be called 'resource managers' back at Exeter, I think( but am not totally sure) on a trial period basis. I don't know what their official title is, but they are sorting out local operational problems from there. LIKE THEY ALWAYS USED TO DO UNDER WESSEX!
Having said all that the backup buses and taxis ran much more smoothly than they have in the past - we think they're being organised from Exeter now instead of Swindon - so at least someone at FGW is trying... Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: devon_metro on December 16, 2007, 11:43:51 Wessex were based in Exeter were they not?
Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Timmer on December 16, 2007, 11:57:04 Wessex were based in Exeter were they not? They were indeed.Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: mada on December 16, 2007, 13:29:32 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented.
This could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Conner on December 16, 2007, 14:04:57 Ooh, I like the idea of refusing to travel if you have to stand, and taking a coach instead.. Do you think that would work on the commuter services into London? Didn't wprk in Cornwall and those people couldn't get on physically.Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: dog box on December 16, 2007, 16:32:45 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented. This could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. why not drive to WSM, The service is always more frequent, thats what i do {and i live at West Hunstpill} and if you go early enough you can park roadside for free outside Homeserve Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: mada on December 16, 2007, 20:16:53 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented. This could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. why not drive to WSM, The service is always more frequent, thats what i do {and i live at West Hunstpill} and if you go early enough you can park roadside for free outside Homeserve If I could drive I wouldn't be messing about on FGW's "services". It's sad as I am a firm believer in the use of environmentally friendly transportation but during my experience of commuting I have vowed that unless services improve the minute I pass my test I will start using the car. The thought that I won't have to do it forever and that eventually I'll be able to drive is the affirmation I use to cope with the constant delays, cancellations and filthy, uncomfortable rolling stock. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: vacman on December 16, 2007, 21:06:09 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented. why not drive to WSM, The service is always more frequent, thats what i do {and i live at West Hunstpill} and if you go early enough you can park roadside for free outside HomeserveThis could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. If I could drive I wouldn't be messing about on FGW's "services". It's sad as I am a firm believer in the use of environmentally friendly transportation but during my experience of commuting I have vowed that unless services improve the minute I pass my test I will start using the car. The thought that I won't have to do it forever and that eventually I'll be able to drive is the affirmation I use to cope with the constant delays, cancellations and filthy, uncomfortable rolling stock. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: mada on December 16, 2007, 21:38:04 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented. why not drive to WSM, The service is always more frequent, thats what i do {and i live at West Hunstpill} and if you go early enough you can park roadside for free outside HomeserveThis could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. If I could drive I wouldn't be messing about on FGW's "services". It's sad as I am a firm believer in the use of environmentally friendly transportation but during my experience of commuting I have vowed that unless services improve the minute I pass my test I will start using the car. The thought that I won't have to do it forever and that eventually I'll be able to drive is the affirmation I use to cope with the constant delays, cancellations and filthy, uncomfortable rolling stock. It's still cheaper to drive than pay the train fare. The traffic on the M5 isn't too bad unless someone crashes or on Fridays during the annual brummy invasion. Even so I'd rather be in control of my surroundings rather than being sat on an uncomfortable seat next to some hideous 30 stone chav female with her folds of fat pressing into my side listening to her playing R&B from the tinny speaker of her Nokia with a combination of body odour and the tuna sandwich she is stuffing into her gullet wafting through the air. All this after waiting 30 minutes unnecessarily in the freezing cold. We've all been there... Also I tend to carry a backpack + a laptop with me yet I feel uncomfortable placing either on the floor or luggage rack due to the combined threats of chewing gum and theft. Even with the traffic the majority of the time I will get from A to B quicker and cheaper than I would by train plus I won't have to worry about space for my luggage. The only negative is the environmental impact. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: vacman on December 16, 2007, 21:40:59 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented. why not drive to WSM, The service is always more frequent, thats what i do {and i live at West Hunstpill} and if you go early enough you can park roadside for free outside HomeserveThis could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. If I could drive I wouldn't be messing about on FGW's "services". It's sad as I am a firm believer in the use of environmentally friendly transportation but during my experience of commuting I have vowed that unless services improve the minute I pass my test I will start using the car. The thought that I won't have to do it forever and that eventually I'll be able to drive is the affirmation I use to cope with the constant delays, cancellations and filthy, uncomfortable rolling stock. It's still cheaper to drive than pay the train fare. The traffic on the M5 isn't too bad unless someone crashes or on Fridays during the annual brummy invasion. Even so I'd rather be in control of my surroundings rather than being sat on an uncomfortable seat next to some hideous 30 stone chav female with her folds of fat pressing into my side listening to her playing R&B from the tinny speaker of her Nokia with a combination of body odour and the tuna sandwich she is stuffing into her gullet wafting through the air. All this after waiting 30 minutes unnecessarily in the freezing cold. We've all been there... Also I tend to carry a backpack + a laptop with me yet I feel uncomfortable placing either on the floor or luggage rack due to the combined threats of chewing gum and theft. Even with the traffic the majority of the time I will get from A to B quicker and cheaper than I would by train plus I won't have to worry about space for my luggage. The only negative is the environmental impact. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: mada on December 16, 2007, 21:46:47 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented. why not drive to WSM, The service is always more frequent, thats what i do {and i live at West Hunstpill} and if you go early enough you can park roadside for free outside HomeserveThis could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. If I could drive I wouldn't be messing about on FGW's "services". It's sad as I am a firm believer in the use of environmentally friendly transportation but during my experience of commuting I have vowed that unless services improve the minute I pass my test I will start using the car. The thought that I won't have to do it forever and that eventually I'll be able to drive is the affirmation I use to cope with the constant delays, cancellations and filthy, uncomfortable rolling stock. It's still cheaper to drive than pay the train fare. The traffic on the M5 isn't too bad unless someone crashes or on Fridays during the annual brummy invasion. Even so I'd rather be in control of my surroundings rather than being sat on an uncomfortable seat next to some hideous 30 stone chav female with her folds of fat pressing into my side listening to her playing R&B from the tinny speaker of her Nokia with a combination of body odour and the tuna sandwich she is stuffing into her gullet wafting through the air. All this after waiting 30 minutes unnecessarily in the freezing cold. We've all been there... Also I tend to carry a backpack + a laptop with me yet I feel uncomfortable placing either on the floor or luggage rack due to the combined threats of chewing gum and theft. Even with the traffic the majority of the time I will get from A to B quicker and cheaper than I would by train plus I won't have to worry about space for my luggage. The only negative is the environmental impact. But for how long? With the rising fares caused by the extortionate franchise premium payments I can see it eclipsing the price of running a car fairly soon if it hasn't already. Plus I'm likely to convert my vehicle to LPG. Working for the company who owns your car insurance provider also helps on the cost front. ;) If a clean, regular, reliable, inexpensive service existed of course i'd use it over driving. The fact is though that it doesn't and probably never will. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Mookiemoo on December 16, 2007, 22:14:40 I'm really unhappy with the new timetable when it comes to travelling back from Bristol Parkway to Highbridge in the evening. I used to have a direct service at 16:51 or 17:51. Now I have to get out of work in time to catch the 16:25 or 17:25 crosscountry train to temple meads. FGW seem intent to make this journey as long as possible. One of my colleagues who I lift share with every Thursday is considering driving more than before the new timetable was implemented. why not drive to WSM, The service is always more frequent, thats what i do {and i live at West Hunstpill} and if you go early enough you can park roadside for free outside HomeserveThis could easily be solved if the Weston to Bristol Parkway service went all the way to Taunton in the evening the same as it does during the morning peak. If I could drive I wouldn't be messing about on FGW's "services". It's sad as I am a firm believer in the use of environmentally friendly transportation but during my experience of commuting I have vowed that unless services improve the minute I pass my test I will start using the car. The thought that I won't have to do it forever and that eventually I'll be able to drive is the affirmation I use to cope with the constant delays, cancellations and filthy, uncomfortable rolling stock. It's still cheaper to drive than pay the train fare. The traffic on the M5 isn't too bad unless someone crashes or on Fridays during the annual brummy invasion. Even so I'd rather be in control of my surroundings rather than being sat on an uncomfortable seat next to some hideous 30 stone chav female with her folds of fat pressing into my side listening to her playing R&B from the tinny speaker of her Nokia with a combination of body odour and the tuna sandwich she is stuffing into her gullet wafting through the air. All this after waiting 30 minutes unnecessarily in the freezing cold. We've all been there... Also I tend to carry a backpack + a laptop with me yet I feel uncomfortable placing either on the floor or luggage rack due to the combined threats of chewing gum and theft. Even with the traffic the majority of the time I will get from A to B quicker and cheaper than I would by train plus I won't have to worry about space for my luggage. The only negative is the environmental impact. But for how long? With the rising fares caused by the extortionate franchise premium payments I can see it eclipsing the price of running a car fairly soon if it hasn't already. Plus I'm likely to convert my vehicle to LPG. Working for the company who owns your car insurance provider also helps on the cost front. ;) If a clean, regular, reliable, inexpensive service existed of course i'd use it over driving. The fact is though that it doesn't and probably never will. interesting - I can drive - have been driving since 1993. I between me and my partner we have three cars (A 2000 golf, a 2005 accord and a 2006 Nissan navara pick up) and three motor bikes. Still, my first port of call for any journey is to see if I can do it by train. ok, I have some exacting standards - I must have a table, first class is preferred but not essential (arriva wales standard on the camathen - Manchester route is perfectly fine). I will not use london midland on local west midlands routes. Why? 1. if I'm tired I can sleep and dont have to worry about hitting anything 2. I can do something with my time during the journey - work or pleasure - rather than focusing on my driving 3. I dont have to worry about parking 4. If i'm late, I phone my client and say will be late, nothing I can do about it - when driving - its always constant stress worrying which route or diversion to take. 5. Train fares may be rising - but fuel and insurance is rising more Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: johoare on December 16, 2007, 22:21:17 Maybe we could have a new vote on here... "Who would drive if they could rather than struggling with FGW?".. I for one would vote yes (if parking in London wasn't so expensive..) I'd not worry about the wear and tear on my car..
Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: grahame on December 16, 2007, 22:22:14 If a clean, regular, reliable, inexpensive service existed of course i'd use it over driving. The fact is though that it doesn't and probably never will. "It probably never will". Regrettably, I have to agree with you in the current political climate (and "inexpensive" is defined as being "half the current price" isn't it ... whatever the current price is! ;) . Just look elsewhere in the papers and even on this forum for a discussion!). But it could be regular. It should be reliable. And it ought to be clean. From an unscientifically small sample of journeys with South West Trains, and others with FIRST Capital Connect in this last year, I think these three of the four objectives can be achieved. And it can be comparatively less expensive that a car journey too. I AM looking forward - and I think we have a better chance now that at any point in the past 2.5 years - to an improvement in services on the "TransWilts" within the next 12 months. I'm still going to say that this is far, far from certain BUT a train every 2 hours (various options out there - FGW from Swindon to Westbury, or Frome, or Salisbury, SWT from Salisbury) would really pull traffic back onto the rail. Actually, it's incredible just how much the current service is making a comeback with its awful timing and (this week especially) reliabilty problems. But that's another story. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: John R on December 16, 2007, 22:27:44 What? You mean passenger numbers are rising with the service you have. I'm amazed.
Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: grahame on December 16, 2007, 22:31:02 1. if I'm tired I can sleep and dont have to worry about hitting anything 2. I can do something with my time during the journey - work or pleasure - rather than focusing on my driving 3. I dont have to worry about parking 4. If i'm late, I phone my client and say will be late, nothing I can do about it - when driving - its always constant stress worrying which route or diversion to take. 5. Train fares may be rising - but fuel and insurance is rising more I could have written that ;) ... I will use public transport if I possibly can for those very reasons, but I'm often frustrated by having too much to carry, or poor schedules which leave car as the only practical way. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: grahame on December 16, 2007, 22:35:16 What? You mean passenger numbers are rising with the service you have. I'm amazed. So am I, frankly, John! But when you consider that you have six "Strategically Significant Towns and Cities" on a 40 mile route, and you've vandalised a service that carried 120000 passengers a year so that it now only carries around 6000 (No, I have NOT left a zero off that) .... then it will rise from that 6000 as there will be people who discover that the train happens to run when they want it. The TransWilts market is huge, as - thank goodness - people who can actually make decisions are starting to notice! Just look at the DfT's road conjestion diagrams, for example Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Mookiemoo on December 16, 2007, 23:43:16 Maybe we could have a new vote on here... "Who would drive if they could rather than struggling with FGW?".. I for one would vote yes (if parking in London wasn't so expensive..) I'd not worry about the wear and tear on my car.. Its not the wear and tear on my car - its the wear and tear on me Without the train I could not do what I do from where I do it. I live in the welsh borders Driving into London (I can park for free) takes three hours each way......I do not work exclusively in London but 2/3 of the time. I could not drive that more than once a week. Going by train I can commute daily. If i'm in any other major city centre I can get home 2/3 times a week If I'm on the suburbs I can get home once a week as I have to drive. If I cant get home it costs me a hotel for the night plus food etc Even given the crappiness of trains in the UK at the moment - they are the only reason I can do what I do. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 17, 2007, 00:17:57 Quote from: mada Even so I'd rather be in control of my surroundings rather than being sat on an uncomfortable seat next to some hideous 30 stone chav female with her folds of fat pressing into my side listening to her playing R&B from the tinny speaker of her Nokia with a combination of body odour and the tuna sandwich she is stuffing into her gullet wafting through the air. Shouldn't sit in First Class then... (http://www.takeforum.com/forum/images/smiles/cy.gif)Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: Mookiemoo on December 17, 2007, 00:28:34 Quote from: mada Even so I'd rather be in control of my surroundings rather than being sat on an uncomfortable seat next to some hideous 30 stone chav female with her folds of fat pressing into my side listening to her playing R&B from the tinny speaker of her Nokia with a combination of body odour and the tuna sandwich she is stuffing into her gullet wafting through the air. Shouldn't sit in First Class then... (http://www.takeforum.com/forum/images/smiles/cy.gif)I rarely have anyone next to me .......... usually only if I have not got on the train first or there is a failure of another service which is bunking on mine. Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: mada on December 17, 2007, 07:29:50 Quote from: mada Even so I'd rather be in control of my surroundings rather than being sat on an uncomfortable seat next to some hideous 30 stone chav female with her folds of fat pressing into my side listening to her playing R&B from the tinny speaker of her Nokia with a combination of body odour and the tuna sandwich she is stuffing into her gullet wafting through the air. Shouldn't sit in First Class then... (http://www.takeforum.com/forum/images/smiles/cy.gif)I occasionally sit in the declassified part on 158's if that helps ;) Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: vacman on December 17, 2007, 14:48:43 Maybe we could have a new vote on here... "Who would drive if they could rather than struggling with FGW?".. I for one would vote yes (if parking in London wasn't so expensive..) I'd not worry about the wear and tear on my car.. You've just answered the question then, If parking in London wasn't so expensive, which is why you use the train!Title: Re: A week in to the new timetable - review Post by: johoare on December 17, 2007, 21:44:12 Maybe we could have a new vote on here... "Who would drive if they could rather than struggling with FGW?".. I for one would vote yes (if parking in London wasn't so expensive..) I'd not worry about the wear and tear on my car.. You've just answered the question then, If parking in London wasn't so expensive, which is why you use the train!Mind you, for ^2800 pound (I just paid something like that out for my season ticket), I could probably buy a parking space in London.... This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. 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