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Title: Much better service for the Trent Valley stations
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 02, 2012, 12:55:43
Resureccting an old discussion about services at Nuneaton, Tamworth and Lichfield that somehow found themselves in a topic about East Coast!

I agree that the Trent Valley stations should have a better service. From a non-experts view it seems a bit over-the-top to have an hourly Chester service throughout the day (occasionally continuing to either Bangor or Holyhead) which stops at Milton Keynes and Crewe only, operated by a Voyager. When I saw a lunchtime service at Milton Keynes the other month it was probably less than a third full - perhaps a stop at Nuneaton should be considered for these trains? I know pathing is tight, but Nuneaton now has a much worse service than it used to.

If a second hourly off-peak service was introduced for Liverpool (with Manchester and Birmingham now getting 3tph, you could argue 2tph to Liverpool would be suitable for a city of its size) then perhaps a stop at Nuneaton could indeed be added on an hourly basis. That could then allow an alternate stop at Tamworth and Lichfield on the Chester services to give a two-hourly fast London service from those stations too.

It's about getting a balance, and I think Virgin have swayed a little to far towards the 'fast train' side of the argument, as Btline has said, and have neglected certain mid-sized towns in the Trent Valley area. The population for Nuneaton, Tamworth and Lichfield combined is getting on for 200k and all three offer connectional opportunities onto local regional services. The changes I've outlined above would help to readdress the balance - without compromising the fast services now being enjoyed by the larger settlements.

Well, although Virgin are showing few signs of adopting my suggestion above, it does appear that Tamworth, Lichfield and Nuneaton (as well as a whole host of other stations) are possibly going to get a much better service through to London, with track access applications submitted from both Grand Central and Alliance Trains to stop at those stations from 2012/13.  Alliance trains using the new Chinese 'Polaris' units and Grand Central looking at Class 67's Mk 3's and a DVT (presumably scheduled for the DVT's maximum speed of 110mph?).

Good to see that with London Midland getting approval to run their Class 350s at 110mph and juggling around their timetable so that their London Euston to Crewe service no longer goes via Northampton, the result is a much better off-peak service along the Trent Valley from the December timetable change.

Off-peak journey times from London to Nuneaton (99 miles) reduce from 90 to 67 minutes, Tamworth (111 miles) from 105 to 85 minutes and Lichfield (117 miles) from 111 to 91 minutes.  A few minutes are added to journeys the other way, but are still pretty quick.  Very reasonable advance fares are available, for example on Thursday 13th December, ^6 advance singles are available on the afternoon trains from Nuneaton to Euston.  All three station also continue to benefit from the very speedy Pendolino services in the peak hours - at a slightly higher price.  ;)

Sadly there are a few losers though (as usual!), with northbound connections from/to NUN/TAM/LTV from places like Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow being generally a little worse than they were.  Still, good work from London Midland.  Let's hope they have some drivers to drive these new services!


Title: Re: Much better service for the Trent Valley stations
Post by: JayMac on December 02, 2012, 14:43:00
Also to note that the fastest London Midland journeys from Rugby to Euston are reduced from 84-89 minutes to 56. That competes very well with Virgin Trains' 50 minutes. And the London Midland service has an intermediate stop at Milton Keynes, the Virgin service is non-stop. The return from Euston on LM can be done in 55 minutes. Just a shame though that they've not been able to fit any of these fast journeys into the morning and evening peak.


Title: Re: Much better service for the Trent Valley stations
Post by: paul7575 on December 02, 2012, 16:06:10
Also to note that the fastest London Midland journeys from Rugby to Euston are reduced from 84-89 minutes to 56. That competes very well with Virgin Trains' 50 minutes. And the London Midland service has an intermediate stop at Milton Keynes, the Virgin service is non-stop. The return from Euston on LM can be done in 55 minutes. Just a shame though that they've not been able to fit any of these fast journeys into the morning and evening peak.

According to the track access applications, the problem with the peaks is basically down to lack of stock, because it is needed for the 12 car strengthening of various existing services to/from Euston.  The peak versions of the fast service via Weedon should therefore be introduced as further 350s are brought into use, within the next year or so...

Paul


Title: Re: Much better service for the Trent Valley stations
Post by: anthony215 on December 02, 2012, 16:40:13
Also to note that the fastest London Midland journeys from Rugby to Euston are reduced from 84-89 minutes to 56. That competes very well with Virgin Trains' 50 minutes. And the London Midland service has an intermediate stop at Milton Keynes, the Virgin service is non-stop. The return from Euston on LM can be done in 55 minutes. Just a shame though that they've not been able to fit any of these fast journeys into the morning and evening peak.


London midland should be able to speed up the peak services once they get some of those  class 350/3's from Siemens  over the next 18 months or so.

I think its 11 units London midland are due to receive with Transpenine getting 10 units


Title: Re: Much better service for the Trent Valley stations
Post by: eightf48544 on December 03, 2012, 09:26:14
Seems like a good move.

All in all I'd rather spend 5 minutes longer in a 350 ratner than a pendo.



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