Title: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: grahame on August 20, 2012, 12:30:48 http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/airport-style-screening-considered-for-tube-and-railway-stations-8062726.html
Quote Airport-style security screening is being considered for Tube and mainline stations across London, it has been revealed ... Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: FarWestJohn on August 20, 2012, 13:06:58 There is some more here for the Home Office.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/home-office-science/eoi-lunr-screening-hos12020 Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: eightf48544 on August 20, 2012, 13:33:19 Why don't they chip us all and monitor us by satellite?
Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Brucey on August 20, 2012, 14:30:41 The problem is this: how do you screen passengers who change trains? It is possible to tour almost all of the London Underground system having never passed through a gateline in Greater London.
Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: broadgage on August 20, 2012, 17:22:27 Why don't they chip us all and monitor us by satellite? Because the satellite cant see you when below ground which of course much of the underground and part of the national network is. Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: ChrisB on August 21, 2012, 12:30:01 The cost would be too high.....
Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Btline on August 21, 2012, 14:14:27 What a load of absolute rubbish.
If someone wants to kill a crowd of people in the UK tomorrow, they will find a way to do it. It doesn't matter how much you inconvenience people by searching them. It doesn't matter how many armed police you deploy in our railway stations. It doesn't matter how many things/objects that are banned. In fact, they'll probably detonate/get the gun out in the mass queue of people waiting to be searched. Or in a major shopping street/square/motorway. It's a smokescreen. It's nonsense. It's just so the government can say "look, we're doing something", "look, everyone's safe". To catch terrorists, you use CCTV, undercover operations/surveillance, monitoring internet/phones. That's why I despair when people moan about the gov wanting to do those things, as the police watching the internet or spying on people on CCTV IS making the country safer, with no inconvenience to yourself!!! Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Brucey on August 21, 2012, 14:15:38 To catch terrorists, you use CCTV, undercover operations/surveillance, monitoring internet/phones. That's why I despair when people moan about the gov wanting to do those things, as the police watching the internet or spying on people on CCTV IS making the country safer, with no inconvenience to yourself!!! Why not open up every letter sent in the post? Even better, why not ban envelopes? Make everyone send things on a postcard.Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: EBrown on August 21, 2012, 14:39:16 It's a smokescreen. It's nonsense. It's just so the government can say "look, we're doing something", "look, everyone's safe". Spying on people doesn't work all the time either. I encrypt a large amount of information using 1-key ciphers, oh, a super computer will take 20million years to decrypt it. To catch terrorists, you use CCTV, undercover operations/surveillance, monitoring internet/phones. That's why I despair when people moan about the gov wanting to do those things, as the police watching the internet or spying on people on CCTV IS making the country safer, with no inconvenience to yourself!!! Speaking to people you can do the same. A book cipher works incredibly well and is near impossible to break. CCTV is beatable through a variety of methods, some of which I won't go into; the most simple is to avoid it. Great, police monitor my internet traffic, use a self signed SSL page to communicate, even with a GAK, it will take weeks to decrypt the information. Kindly don't suggest silly things that I can easily get around. Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: broadgage on August 21, 2012, 15:15:25 I fail to see the point in airline style screening at Railway stations.
It would be utterly impossible to bring it in at every station including all those manned part time or not at all. If terrorists wish to commit an outrage at say, Paddington, what is to stop them getting on a service at one of the many unstaffed stations in the West or Wales and travelling into Paddington to commit mass murder. No amount of screening those departing by train from Paddington would stop this, and even screening arrivals into paddington would not stop attacks before the screening point, or indeed on the often very crowded trains between Reading and Paddington. It would also cause endless delay, as at airports "please allow 2 hours to check in" And a "fine" of hundreds of pounds if the security screening means your "booked train only" ticket is no longer valid. Expect also a long list of prohibited items including, liquids, nail scissors, hand tools, food, drink, electronic items, and one random item that is different each day. Very silly idea. Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: dking on August 21, 2012, 16:38:37 .... and who's going to pay for all this high-tech kit? Just as they're upping the fares to pay for electrification - it's us!
Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Btline on August 21, 2012, 16:47:19 Spying on people doesn't work all the time either. I encrypt a large amount of information using 1-key ciphers, oh, a super computer will take 20million years to decrypt it. Speaking to people you can do the same. A book cipher works incredibly well and is near impossible to break. CCTV is beatable through a variety of methods, some of which I won't go into; the most simple is to avoid it. Great, police monitor my internet traffic, use a self signed SSL page to communicate, even with a GAK, it will take weeks to decrypt the information. Kindly don't suggest silly things that I can easily get around. Ok, perhaps you're right about that. But it still doesn't mean screening at railways makes life safer! For a start, they'll just board at Finstock, which will probably have every HST calling pretty soon due to demand ::) , accessing the railway at a point where it would never justify having a security screen. Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: TonyK on August 21, 2012, 17:29:20 Having recently queued with thousands of ordinary holiday makers to get through the shoe-sniffing security at Bristol Airport, I would rather see railway station-style security at airports.
Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Btline on August 21, 2012, 18:13:43 Having recently queued with thousands of ordinary holiday makers to get through the shoe-sniffing security at Bristol Airport, I would rather see railway station-style security at airports. Why? If there was no security at airports, you'd just be in the departure lounge for an extra 10 minutes? You wouldn't save time. Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: TonyK on August 21, 2012, 19:40:23 But I wouldn't have to virtually undress, hand over my bottle of water, and put my hand luggage through the scanner half a dozen times. And Mrs FTN would still have her nail scissors, her whatever they are for doing something at her eyebrows (or lashes - beats me), and her prized machete that she forgot was in her bag.
Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Btline on August 21, 2012, 20:32:44 But I wouldn't have to virtually undress, hand over my bottle of water, and put my hand luggage through the scanner half a dozen times. And Mrs FTN would still have her nail scissors, her whatever they are for doing something at her eyebrows (or lashes - beats me), and her prized machete that she forgot was in her bag. Virtually undress? You mean take your belt off, which can be done between walking from check in to the queue, or even in the queue without delaying you a single SECOND. Water - fair point, but it does make the plane safer. How many times do you have to put your bag through? For me it's only ever been once and it's never been searched (as there is never any prohibited items in it). I think you are exaggerating. Pack nail files in hold luggage or do without them for a week - it's not the end of the world! Ever heard of cutting your nails before you travel? Of course, the new scanners they have mean you can just walk through the scanner, speeding up the process. Still no good for rail stations, but for airports and for events this is fine. Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: dking on August 22, 2012, 11:10:06 A few years ago we took the rain from Madrid Atocha station to Algeciras (for Gibraltar). There was a bag scanner there but no personal intrusion. All we had to do was dump the bags on the conveyor, walk through to the other end, and pick it up. I can't see that at Paddington (too many pax, not enough space) but it didn't delay us for a second. Considering what had happened at that station only a few years previously it was quite relaxed. If it were Britain we'd have been strip searched and our luggage dismantled.
Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Mookiemoo on August 23, 2012, 00:31:42 Well I fly weekly - and from Bristol - and I can say that Mr Mooks deposits me in rapid drop off and I am through security BEFORE he drives across the pedestrian crossing
I don't take liquids - jeez everyone should know that or go back to their cave everything thant needs separating is in my duty free bag - yes Bristol is one of those airports where even with slime air you can take a duty free bad with you I knit, I always have knitting needles, scissors and sewing needles on me Never had em confiscated anywhere - although I haven't been through a spanish airport recently so can't vouch oint is - expect security at airports - would I want to plan for the same thing at platform 3 at paddington - not a chance in hell Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: JayMac on August 23, 2012, 00:57:27 A few years ago we took the rain from Madrid Atocha station to Algeciras That'll be the rain in Spain then. :P ;) :D oint is - expect security at airports Such a shame this ost wasn't ut on the forum by bobm. The rejoinder, "Can I have a P please Bob?" would then have been very aroriate. ;) :P ;D I'll turn off the edant radar now. Title: Re: Airport Style Screening for Railway Stations? Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 03, 2015, 21:09:56 Resurrecting an old topic, simply because of previous references to Madrid's Atocha station - from Yahoo News UK (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/though-hoax-madrid-train-bomb-threat-deepens-jitters-133555016.html#4tBDn0v):
Quote Though a hoax, Madrid train bomb threat deepens jitters about 'lone wolf' attacks Police have arrested a suspect, whose threat forced the emergency evacuation of a commuter train between stations. Spanish officials say a suicide bomb threat at Madrid's Atocha train station, site of the March 2004 bombing that left almost 200 people dead, is false, and that a suspect has been taken into custody. The suspect, identified by newspaper El Pais (in Spanish) as Jamal H, a man of North African and Spanish origin, reportedly threatened to blow himself up on a commuter rail train approaching the Atocha station. The suspect had left a backpack on the train and warned passengers that an explosion was imminent. Spanish police said that the warnings prompted a passenger to pull the emergency brake before it reached the station, and the train was evacuated. No explosives were found in the suspect's possession, and police told El Pais that he has no known ties to terrorist groups. He is currently being held for psychiatric observation. But the threat comes amid heightened tensions in the West amid a spate of attacks of "lone-wolf terrorism," launched by unbalanced individuals claiming to be inspired by tensions in the Middle East and fighting in Syria. France saw three instances in late December of attacks by individuals that injured members of the public. And in Australia, a man with a history of criminal activity held more than a dozen people hostage in a Sydney cafe before police stormed the site. The man and two of his hostages were killed. Europe is also highly concerned about the possibility of its citizens traveling to fight in Syria, becoming radicalized, and then returning home and pursuing similar tactics. As of late last year, some 95 Spaniards were estimated to be involved in the fighting in Syria, The Washington Post reports. Although there is no immediately apparent tie between today's incident and Islamic terrorism, the site itself, Atocha station, has particular resonance for Spaniards that evokes such a connection. The station was the site of Spain's deadliest terrorist attack in the modern era, when, on Mar. 11, 2004, a series of 10 backpack bombs was detonated, killing nearly 200 people and injuring scores more. Although initial suspicion fell upon the Basque separatist group ETA, investigations revealed the perpetrators to be Islamic militants. The 2004 bombings had a dramatic effect on the country, coming just days before Spain's general election. The conservative ^ and hard-on-terrorism ^ Popular Party had been expected to win the elections handily. But the attack galvanized support for the Socialists, who scored an upset win on the back of their campaign against Spanish involvement in the Iraq war, which many saw as a reason Spain was targeted by terrorists. The new Socialist government quickly affirmed its intent to withdraw from the conflict, depriving the US of one of its staunchest allies in the war. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |