Title: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: TerminalJunkie on November 28, 2007, 16:18:58 Network Rail have written to FGW about the impending introduction of Pacers in Devon (Link to original document (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/network%20code/vehicle%20change/completed%20vehicle%20changes/class%20142%20fgw%20bristol%20&%20exeter%20areas/e%20acceptance.pdf))
In the letter, they refer to damage to the track: Quote from: Network Rail Network Rail considers that in relation to the proposed Vehicle Change Network Rail should be entitled to compensation (as defined in Condition F3.2) from FGW for the consequences of the implementation of the change. Class 142 vehicles were previously removed from, what is now, the Western Route due to the high level of damage the vehicles caused to the track - an issue that was highlighted to the DfT during the franchise process. In order to mitigate the risks associated with this damage Network Rail wishes to implement the recommendations of the relevant standard (NR/SP/TRK/8006) and pass on to FGW the one-off costs incurred as a result. They also ask for some compensation: Quote from: Network Rail To the extent that the information provided in the FGW^s proposal for Vehicle Change (issued under Condition F2) has enabled Network Rail to assess the likely effect of the proposed change, a statement of the amount of compensation required (calculated in accordance with the requirements of Condition F3) and the means by which the compensation should be paid is shown in Appendix A to this letter. The details of these costs were initially provided as part of the Preliminary Response (22 October 2007) and an updated copy is supplied as an Excel spreadsheet at Appendix B. Pacers apparently squeal a bit: Quote from: Network Rail Class 142 vehicles are also notorious for causing squealing noises on curves which lead to complaints from the public and their representatives. As part of this Vehicle Change Network Rail requires FGW to be accountable for the costs and conscientious processing of any such complaints generated by the operation of these vehicles. They also carry a higher risk of collision than rolling stock they replace: Quote from: Network Rail Finally, Class 142 vehicles have historically been prone to incidents of low adhesion. This is attributed to the axle configuration rather than any railhead condition. As part of this Vehicle Change Network Rail requires FGW to take steps to mitigate against such incidents and be responsible for any failure to do so. Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: devon_metro on November 28, 2007, 16:58:39 In short.
"You toss*rs!" Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: TerminalJunkie on November 28, 2007, 18:28:05 Quote from: Network Rail In order to mitigate the risks associated with this damage Network Rail wishes to implement the recommendations of the relevant standard (NR/SP/TRK/8006) and pass on to FGW the one-off costs incurred as a result. For information, this standard relates to the siting, installation, and operation of remote rail lubricators. Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Conner on November 29, 2007, 07:54:15 The government control what stock we get so why don't they write to them complaining.
Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Westernchallenger on November 29, 2007, 16:26:39 The operator bids for the stock it intends to use on the franchise. Clearly FGW always intended to re-introduce pacers
Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Lee on November 29, 2007, 16:33:13 The operator bids for the stock it intends to use on the franchise. Clearly FGW always intended to re-introduce pacers Can you elaborate on this process please , Westernchallenger? Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Westernchallenger on November 29, 2007, 16:36:04 When an operator compiles its bid, it needs to indicate to DfT what rolling stock it intends to use. Therefore it follows that FGW must have declared the use of pacers in its bid
Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Lee on November 29, 2007, 16:48:42 When an operator compiles its bid, it needs to indicate to DfT what rolling stock it intends to use. Therefore it follows that FGW must have declared the use of pacers in its bid The franchise agreement is a "live" document though , which means that it can be altered at any point , and several changes have been made to it already , including to the Train Fleet section. What would interest me would be if concrete proof existed that FGW intended to use the Class 142's all along. Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Westernchallenger on November 29, 2007, 16:52:15 I see what you mean. Well the answer to that will be commercially confidential to FGW
Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Westernchallenger on November 29, 2007, 17:01:52 But it looks like your answer is provided in the quote from the NR letter above.
Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Lee on November 29, 2007, 17:06:07 There were rumours that the DfT forced the leasing companies into offering rock - bottom rates for Pacers , which would then be used on the West Country routes / branch lines.
Only rumours , though. Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Conner on December 02, 2007, 09:59:31 FGW always say that the 142's were a last resort but they under-estimated the amount of stock they needed so didn't bother renewing the lease on the 158's so Northern got them and then FGW realised they needed more stock so they had to get the 142's because they couldn't keep the 158's.
Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Timmer on December 02, 2007, 13:21:01 FGW always say that the 142's were a last resort but they under-estimated the amount of stock they needed so didn't bother renewing the lease on the 158's so Northern got them and then FGW realised they needed more stock so they had to get the 142's because they couldn't keep the 158's. So FGW only have themselves to blame on this one then and its not DaFT forcing them to give the stock up?Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 02, 2007, 13:31:16 Quote from: Timmer So FGW only have themselves to blame on this one then and its not DaFT forcing them to give the stock up? John Curley pretty much admitted that at the NDRUG AGM: He also said that they [...] made mistakes predicting the amount of rolling stock they would need, and failed to acquire replacements when they realised the mistake. Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: Timmer on December 02, 2007, 18:31:14 Quote from: Timmer So FGW only have themselves to blame on this one then and its not DaFT forcing them to give the stock up? John Curley pretty much admitted that at the NDRUG AGM: He also said that they [...] made mistakes predicting the amount of rolling stock they would need, and failed to acquire replacements when they realised the mistake. Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: james.grant4 on December 08, 2007, 16:58:12 When Kevin Gale, Director of Operations was asked why they were using Class 142s on the devon branches, he answered 'because they are cheap'!
Title: Re: Letter from Network Rail to FGW Post by: dog box on December 08, 2007, 17:41:03 When Kevin Gale, Director of Operations was asked why they were using Class 142s on the devon branches, he answered 'because they are cheap'! thats prety obvoius reallyThis page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |