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hello, I have a few questions regarding ECS moves around Cornwall, which I found on OpenTrainTimes.


1. There appears to be a MO 5L71 which runs from Par to Liskeard rather than Plymouth to Liskeard, I presume this is the Ex Sunday night Newquay Service, which stables at Par all night.

2. At Truro There are two paths for the ex 2T89 19:02 Falmouth Docks - Truro:
5T89 1938 TRU to PNZ
5P89 1934 TRU to PLY

I thought this train went to Penzance each night, or it only certain days?

3. Also is there a unit still sat spare at Plymouth for most of the day?


Thanks,
Mark

This service will be a double 153, which will divide. One to Plymouth and one to Penzance.

that makes scene, but where would this go from Plymouth? Does it attach to the 2E89 - 21:25 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids?

Also where does this extra 153 come from in the mornings, as Penzance wouldn't have enough units overnight to start from there would it?

It forms 5P98 to Laira departing 2130 formed of 4 coaches (150+153x3) with the following:
5P48 1939 Exeter St Davids to Plymouth (153)
2P95 1916 Penzance to Plymouth (150)

Additional 153 is gained because the spare unit at Plymouth runs to Cornwall with a 150 on 1557 Plymouth - Penzance, and remains at Penzance, while the 150 returns to Plymouth on 2P95 1916 Penzance to Plymouth.

2E89 2125 Plymouth to Exeter is formed 150+153 formed from the following trains
5C51 1857 Liskeard to Plymouth (150)
5P94 2033 Liskeard to Plymouth (153)

Thanks for this, so is the following correct?

5C51 18:57 Liskeard - Plymouth 19:22 (150)
5P94 20:33 Liskeard - Plymouth 20:58 (153)
Form:
2E89 21:25 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids 22:40 (150 + 153)


5P89 19:34 Truro - Plymouth 20:49 (153)
5p48 19:39 Exeter St Davids - Plymouth 20:54 (153)
2P95 19:16 Penzance - Plymouth 21:20 (150)
Form:
5P98 21:30 Plymouth - Laira TMD 22:16 (150 + 153x2)

Which seems to be enough units for the mornings at Plymouth (Gunnislake, Looe & Spare)


2P97 22:21 Gunnislake - Plymouth 23:06 (150)
5P13 22:30 Par - Plymouth 23:14 (153)
Forms:
5E13 23:40 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids 00:36 (150 + 153)


And The following are at Penzance:

2C48 15:57 Plymouth - Penzance 18:07 (153)
5T89 19:38 Truro - Penzance 20:13 (153)
2A58 22:20 St Ives - Penzance 22:57 (150)
5T93 23:04 Truro - Penzance 23:37 (150)
2C53 22:31 Plymouth - Penzance 00:40 (150)
Forming:
5C98 01:45 Penzance - Penzance TMD 02:00 (3 x 150 + 2 x 153)

So in the morning 150 on 2U12, 2x153 and 150 for Falmouth branch , and 150 on St Ives branch.

Yep, all correct!

Now some questions regarding Saturdays:

1. There is a 5C40 04:05 Laira TMD - Par  - I presume this form the 2C40 from Par to Penzance, and would it also the Looe and Newquay units?

2. There is also a  5B21 05:24 Par - Liskeard. Does this come down on the above service then go back up to Liskeard? If not where does this come from?

3. Which train is the 5P12 - 20:46 Penzance - Par formed from? I imagine the ex 2C50 or ex 5T89

4. The 5P12 20:46 Penzance - Par does this couple to 2P96 Newquay - Plymouth at Par?

5. Is the 5T89 - 19:40 Truro - Penzance formed from a single 153 or 2x153s?

6. Lastly I presume the 5B16 00:10 Plymouth - Laira TMD
is formed from:
5P92 - 20:56 Liskeard - Plymouth 21:21 (153)
2P97 - 22:21 Gunnislake - Plymouth 23:06 (150)
2P96 - 21:18 Newquay - Plymouth 23:12 (153)

Would this be correct?

Thanks again,
Mark

1. There is a 5C40 04:05 Laira TMD - Par  - I presume this form the 2C40 from Par to Penzance, and would it also the Looe and Newquay units?

Correct

2. There is also a  5B21 05:24 Par - Liskeard. Does this come down on the above service then go back up to Liskeard? If not where does this come from?

Comes from 5C40

3. Which train is the 5P12 - 20:46 Penzance - Par formed from? I imagine the ex 2C50 or ex 5T89

Formed from 2C50

4. The 5P12 20:46 Penzance - Par does this couple to 2P96 Newquay - Plymouth at Par?

Stables Par and that is the reason for a Monday only 5L71

5. Is the 5T89 - 19:40 Truro - Penzance formed from a single 153 or 2x153s?

Formed of a double 153

6. Lastly I presume the 5B16 00:10 Plymouth - Laira TMD
is formed from:
5P92 - 20:56 Liskeard - Plymouth 21:21 (153) - Forms 2G79 2131 Gunnislake
2P97 - 22:21 Gunnislake - Plymouth 23:06 (150) - Forms 5B16
2P96 - 21:18 Newquay - Plymouth 23:12 (153) - Forms 5B16

In that case what does the ex 2P94 19:17 Gunnislake - Plymouth do?

Attachs to 2E89 1906 Penzance - Exeter St Davids

One thing I forgot to ask. Where does the Sleeper train go after arriving into Penzance on Saturday morning? As I understand there is no PNZ - PAD sleeper on saturday nights, surely it can't stable at Longrock over night as the sidings will be used by the HSTs and Voyagers.

5C99 Penzance - Long Rock, it stables over the weekend.

Just one quickie to pick up on.   Is 2C50 Sat worked by a single 153 or is it attached to something else on arrival Penzance.    I.m assuming 5P12 is a 153 if working 5L71 and Looe on Monday after Newquays Sunday at a guess.


Edited to fix quote. bignosemac

Does this mean it is in a different siding to usual? As surely the HSTs and Voyagers would will up the six sidings to the east of the depot?

I was under the impression that it remained within the depot buildings, however I don't know the layout of Long Rock to confirm, 5C99 is the only ECS for the sleeper stock on Saturdays.

I may be in Penzance Saturday night, I will take a look to see if stock is in the depot, if you dont get the answer before then.

Saturdays 5P12 has been formed by a 153 off 5T89, to form Sunday's NQY then Mondays LOO. Guessing over Easter its been a 150 ex 2C50 to increase capacity.

Sleeper stock sits on Long Rock from Sat morning to Sunday evening.

I have noticed that the Newquay unit now goes to Truro instead of Plymouth on the 5N13 at the end of its workings. Does this couple to the Falmouth unit back to PNZ (5T93)? If so wouldn't Plymouth be a unit short, and Penzance have too many units?

Finishing at Penzance currently are 2 150s from the St Ives line, 2 153s from the Falmouth line, the Newquay 150, a 150 from the 2231 Plymouth-Penzance and a 153, either from the 1557 Plymouth-Penzance as it used to be or possibly now from the 2231 Plymouth-Penzance, I'm not sure which. In the morning 2 150s go on the St Ives line (one at 0655, the other added at 0857), 2 153s and a 150 go on the Falmouth line and a 150 and 153 go on the 0600 Penzance-Cardiff Central, with the 153 detached at Plymouth.

At Plymouth only a 150 and a 153 stable overnight, at Laira. The 150 works the Gunnislake branch and the 153 works the Looe branch. The 153 I believe comes off 5P84, the 1906 Exeter St Davids to Plymouth. The 150 I believe comes off 2P95, the 1916 Penzance-Plymouth but it could come from somewhere else. The rest of the units then run to Exeter, either in service on the 2125 from Plymouth or ECS at 2340. The spare 153 for the day at Plymouth now comes off of the 0600 Penzance-Cardiff Central at Plymouth as far as I know.

Penzance to Cardiff on a 150, **** that for a laugh!!

Just to confirm and clear up, 19 16 Penzance to Plymouth (150 + 153 off 15 57 Plymouth) forms 21 25 Plymouth to Exeter which seems to be the Summer arrangement.   153 Attaches 22 31 Plymouth to Penzance having arrived ECS from Liskeard off Looe.  The Plymouth 150 for Gunnislake is ECS from Liskeard off earlier Gunnislake.   I think you will find the 23+40 ECS is formed off the last Gunnislake and ECS ex Truro off early finish Falmouth




Edit note: Quote marks fixed. Chris.  :)

That makes sense. The Plymouth spare 153 used to finish at Penzance, but as it now finishes at Penzance that wouldn't work, since all the 153s starting at Penzance would finish there.

Thats again for your help.

So as I understand it things run as follows:

Plymouth:

2p95 1916 Penzance - Plymouth (150 + 153)
Forms:
2E89 2125 Plymouth - Exeter St Davids (150 + 153)


5P84 - 1906 Exeter St Davids - Plymouth (153)
5C51 - 1857 Liskeard - Plymouth (150)
Forms:
5P98 2130 Plymouth - Laira TMD (150 + 153)

2P97 2221 Gunnislake - Plymouth (150)
5P89 1934 Truro - Plymouth (150)
Forms:
5E13 2340 Plymouth - Exeter TMD (150 + 153)

Leaving these for the morning:
5L71 0502 Laira TMD - Looe (153)
2G71 0506 Plymouth - Gunnislake (150)


And Penzance has the following at night:

2A58 2220 St Ives - Penzance 2257 (2 x 150)
2C54 2231 Plymouth - Penzance 0040 (150 + 153)
5T93 2317 Truro - Penzance 2349 (2 x 153 + 150)
In Total: 4 x 150, 3 x 153

Which then run these in the morning:
2C53 0521 Penzance - Truro (150 + 2 x 153)
2U12 0600 Penzance - Cardiff Central (150 + 153) - 153 detaches at Plymouth as spare until 2C48 1557 to PNZ.
2A03 0655 Penzance - St Ives (2 x 150)

Is this correct?

Thanks,
Mark

Looks correct to me, only thing is 2A03 0655 Penzance - St Ives is only 1 150, the other 150 is attached for 2A07 0857 Penzance - St Ives

Does anyone know what units are at Penzance and Plymouth on Saturday and Sunday nights / mornings?

Hello again,
Just wondering now that the Newquay branch unit comes from Bristol. What service does the ex 2C41 06:28 Exeter St Davids - Plymouth unit now run?

Thanks,
Mark

Formed of a 153 now and the 153 goes on the front of 2C43, 0624 Bristol Parkway-Penzance. All services between Plymouth and Penzance except 2C47, 1353 Plymouth-Penzance and 2E88, 1644 Penzance-Plymouth are formed of a 150+153 for the summer.