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Title: Poland - various railway related incidents (merged posts) Post by: EBrown on March 04, 2012, 03:24:56 From BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17248735)
Quote Two trains have collided in southern Poland, leaving 14 people dead, local officials say, and 50 hurt. The accident occurred on Saturday evening on the Warsaw-Krakow mainline at the small town of Szczekociny, according to Polish TV. Two express trains, one of which was on the wrong track, collided head-on, a senior railway official said. Prime Minister Donald Tusk arrived at the scene early on Sunday morning, with three other cabinet ministers. "This appears to be one of the most serious railway accidents in recent years," Transport Minister Slawomir Nowak told the TVN24 news channel. Some passengers remain trapped in the wreckage, police say. Helicopter ambulances from Warsaw and Wroclaw are helping to take the injured to hospitals. "The rescue is difficult and complicated," firefighter Jaroslaw Wojtasik told Polish television. "The damage to the wagons is huge. We have contact with victims. We are approaching very cautiously." Engineering works The accident occurred at 21:15 (20:15 GMT), when a train travelling north from Przemysl to Warsaw collided with a southbound train from Warsaw to Krakow. Scheduled engineering works were taking place on one track at Szczekociny station at the time of the accident. The Krakow train was on the wrong track, Andrzej Pawlowski, a member of the board of the state railway company PKP, told the TV station TVN24. Three coaches are reported to be especially damaged, and the rescue operation is focusing on finding passengers there. The three coaches were "completely destroyed - like a concertina", one eyewitness told the Gazeta Wyborcza newspaper. Another passenger estimated that his train was travelling about 120km/h (75 mph), when it started braking very sharply. "Then we felt a powerful impact, and we were thrown about the compartment," the passenger told TVN24. Title: Re: Poland Train Crash Kills 14 Post by: Brucey on March 04, 2012, 20:31:48 Some truly horrific pictures on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17251105
My parents travelled on a Krakow-Warsaw service just over a week ago. Brings the story much closer to home... Title: Poland - various railway related incidents (merged posts) Post by: JayMac on December 14, 2015, 04:18:41 This cyclist in Poland is very lucky not to have been a Darwin Award winner. Definitely in line though for a Darwin At-Risk Survivor nomination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EWfUKqEGiU#nf Miraculously he survived with just a few bruises. Half a second earlier onto the crossing and he would have been a very messy hood ornament. https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/30344428/polish-cyclist-shockingly-smashes-into-high-speed-train-and-survives/ Title: Re: Train v cyclist. Only one winner. Poland. Post by: Bob_Blakey on December 14, 2015, 08:57:24 Given the circumstances, could I be correct in concluding that this individual is (was?) a member of the 'IQ roughly equivalent to room temperature' group of cyclists who believe that listening to music via headphones while riding is a really good idea.
Title: Re: Train v cyclist. Only one winner. Poland. Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 14, 2015, 12:57:30 Given the circumstances, could I be correct in concluding that this individual is (was?) a member of the 'IQ roughly equivalent to room temperature' group of cyclists who believe that listening to music via headphones while riding is a really good idea. I saw that on the news last week and agree with you Bob Blakey Title: Poland - various railway related incidents (merged posts) Post by: basset44 on May 13, 2016, 07:57:57 Hi All,
Has we sit most days, engrossed in our paper , phones , you wouldn't want to see this happen http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36279898 Lucky no one hurt. Basset Title: Re: What you hope not to see - Polish train driver's warning helps save passengers Post by: Bmblbzzz on May 13, 2016, 08:51:03 Oh dear. Well done that driver.
It's not clear why the lorry is on the tracks but it seems to be "trapped" between the two barriers. There's no other traffic and it's clearly not a busy road so I presume either it's broken down, there was a crossing malfunction which caused the barriers to suddenly descend without warning or most likely the lorry driver ignored the signals and tried to get across the track as the barriers were coming down. I'm afraid that would not be an uncommon example of Polish driving (though more typical of cars and buses than lorries). :( Title: Re: What you hope not to see - Polish train driver's warning helps save passengers Post by: Puffing Billy on May 13, 2016, 20:06:14 According to a report on the website of "Radio Eska", the owner of the lorry claims that his driver has been stitched up, and the train driver had plenty of time to sound the horn and to brake. He also claims that the level crossing was faulty (he does not expand on this). As to the "heroism" of the driver in making his dash down the train, he likens this to a car driver diving into the back seat instead of staying up front with his foot on the brake. Something tells me that the courts will be slightly under-impressed!
Title: Re: What you hope not to see - Polish train driver's warning helps save passengers Post by: JayMac on May 13, 2016, 23:44:51 The only thing the lorry owner hasn't asked is why didn't the train swerve out the way! ::)
Title: Re: What you hope not to see - Polish train driver's warning helps save passengers Post by: Bmblbzzz on May 18, 2016, 13:49:10 I can well believe that the level crossing was faulty but the rest of it...
Title: Poland - various railway related incidents (merged posts) Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 14, 2017, 13:03:09 A freight train was hijacked in the early hours of this morning (Thursday) while stationary in Legionowo, a town in the Warsaw region. The hijacker knocked on the locomotive door wanting to be let in but the driver refused. He then climbed on the roof, fell off (the report says he might have been electrocuted but it doesn't mention any injuries), then smashed the window, injuring the driver, and climbed into the cab. He threatened the driver with a "dangerous object" and forced him to drive off. The driver informed the signaller over the radio that he was moving, the train was directed into a siding and after about 1.5km the driver said he had to stop the train or they'd derail. The would-be hijacker ran off towards the station and was caught by police. No motive is given or speculated at but it does say he is being held in hospital having had blood tests for drugs and alcohol. He faces a potential jail sentence of up to eight years.
Report here, but it's in Polish so you'll just have to take my word for it ;): http://metrowarszawa.gazeta.pl/metrowarszawa/7,141637,22370472,wdarl-sie-do-lokomotywy-zastraszyl-maszyniste-i-porwal-pociag.html#Czolka3Img Title: Re: Train hijacked, driver injured – Poland Post by: ChrisB on September 14, 2017, 13:11:58 numpties in Poland then too....
Title: Re: Train hijacked, driver injured – Poland Post by: grahame on September 14, 2017, 14:13:37 Report here, but it's in Polish so you'll just have to take my word for it ;): http://metrowarszawa.gazeta.pl/metrowarszawa/7,141637,22370472,wdarl-sie-do-lokomotywy-zastraszyl-maszyniste-i-porwal-pociag.html#Czolka3Img Or we could read Google Translate ;-) Quote On Thursday at 4:20 in the morning the Legionowo police received a report of the incident. To the locomotive of the freight train with 23 Gdansk-Pruszków coaches, who stopped at the Legionowo-Przystanek station, a man ran up. He started banging on the cockpit. The driver did not want to let him in, the 35-year-old climbed onto the roof of the locomotive, and was most likely shocked by the current, falling from her. But it did not cool his enthusiasm, the man probably stoned the glass and broke in. He threatened a dangerous object As reported in the talk with Metrowarszawa.gazeta.pl podkom. Emilia Kuligowska from the Legion's command, 35-year-old from the province. Świętokrzyski threatened the driver with his death. He had a dangerous item with him - it was a stone. The aggressor ordered the driver to continue. The radio reported the traffic on the line. The train was directed to the side track. About 1.5 km behind the station, the driver told the 35-year-old that he was not going because he was threatening to derail the train. On drugs? Then the man jumped out of the locomotive, ran to the track just before another train approached and escaped to the platforms of Legionowo-PKP Główny. But the police were waiting for him there. Officers took the 35-year-old, was aggressive. He was taken to a hospital in Warsaw where his blood was examined for the presence of drugs and alcohol. The driver was slightly injured Illegal deprivation of liberty has been instituted, the threat of predetermined behavior and the direct threat of land disasters have been initiated. For all this, a 35-year-old can threaten up to eight years in prison. The detainee stays in the hospital. The mechanic was slightly injured in the hands after pushing the windshield. "Operation of the nightly service in Legionowo according to the procedure" - wrote in a statement Karol Jakubowski from PKP Polish Railway Lines. The PKP Polish Railway Lines service keeps in touch with the train drivers on the rail network in accordance with established procedures around the clock. This gives the opportunity for rapid response when police or rescue services are needed, "he added. Title: Re: Train hijacked, driver injured – Poland Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 14, 2017, 15:10:47 That's not a bad translation for a machine! :o Except it obviously has no concept of the passive voice (see the third from last paragraph), which inverts the meaning, and the original says the "dangerous object" might have been a stone, not definitely was.
Title: Re: Train hijacked, driver injured – Poland Post by: broadgage on September 14, 2017, 21:58:03 Hopefully this was a lone person suffering from poor mental health, or from drugs or alcohol misuse, and was hopefully not part of any wider conspiracy.
Title: Re: Train hijacked, driver injured – Poland Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2017, 09:46:02 I think that's almost certainly the case. Still a bit scary for the driver, I'd imagine; although it sounds as if he handled the situation quite well.
Title: Poland - level crossing incidents (merged posts) Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 25, 2018, 18:14:31 A collision between a train and a car driven by a driving test candidate has killed the 18-year-old candidate. The train is damaged but driver and passengers are uninjured, the examiner managed to jump free of the car before the collision. It seems the driver failed to stop as she approached the level crossing, which has signs but no barriers or lights. Either she or the examiner then attempted an emergency stop, the car came to a stop on the tracks with the engine stalled. Several attempts were made to restart the engine, but without success. A passenger train from Nowy Targ to Zakopane then collided with the car, the driver suffered severe injuries and died in hospital. Somehow the examiner managed to jump out of the car.
Video from the car, the train and a nearby industrial area is being examined to try to ascertain why the car did not stop at the Stop sign – according to test regulations, failure to stop is an automatic instant fail and end of the test and if a candidate fails to brake in time, the examiner should – and whether it was the candidate or the examiner who then braked, bringing the vehicle to a stop on the tracks. (http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/ca/b7/16/z23819978Q,Szaflary--Wypadek-na-przejezdzie-kolejowym.jpg) (http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/cb/b7/16/z23819979Q,Szaflary--Wypadek-na-przejezdzie-kolejowym.jpg) Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: Oxonhutch on August 25, 2018, 20:14:38 Utterly tragic. Why on Earth examine over such a route and if so, be absolutely proactive to ensure compliance with the road signs/requirements. Failing to observe a stop sign is a fail. Fail to stop before a level crossing is a death sentence.
The examination system here appears to have lost the plot. This was so foreseeable and totally unnecessary. As an enquiry: Has anyone here driven over a level crossing on their driving test? If so, was it gated or controlled? Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 25, 2018, 22:20:37 I presume there are set routes which are used, but I don't know. Uncontrolled level crossings are more common in Poland than here, so it might make sense to include them on a test. The report I read did imply that the examiner might be held liable for the collision – legally, the examiner is responsible for anything the examinee might do – but it's not yet clear who actually did what. But whoever ends up being held responsible, yes it's a tragedy.
Title: More level crossing lunacy (Poland again) Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 30, 2018, 14:55:21 What do you do if you come to a level crossing, the barriers are down and the lights are flashing, but you can't actually see the train approaching? You force the barriers open and drive across, of course! And what do you do if something deep inside your brain tells you this might be not the wisest thing to do? You open both barriers first and run across! But then they close anyway, stranding you on the tracks. And if you're so considerate you want everyone to have the same opportunity? You hold the barrier open while four more cars drive over. The link below should take you to a video of this madness.
http://radom.wyborcza.pl/radom/10,88286,23840370,przejazd-kolejowy-w-natolinie.html The accompanying article says that the video was sent to the Police Team for Combatting Aggressive Behaviour on the Roads, who have identified the owners and drivers of vehicles. Title: Re: More level crossing lunacy (Poland again) Post by: broadgage on August 30, 2018, 16:26:15 Makes UK level crossing misuse seem rather tame.
Title: Re: More level crossing lunacy (Poland again) Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 31, 2018, 11:11:56 It's well into "crossing abuse" rather than simply failing to understand how it works. The comments are all too familiar though; mostly along the lines of "It's the railways fault for closing the barriers too early."
Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: broadgage on September 04, 2018, 12:31:08 In view of the prevalence of level crossings in Poland, it seems reasonable to include correct use of such crossings in the driving test.
Whilst the loss of life is unfortunate, the odd accident may be unavoidable if the driving test is to simulate actual driving conditions. If level crossing use is to be excluded from the test due to the risks, then perhaps the test should also exclude driving in bad weather, another known risk factor. Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: Oxonhutch on September 04, 2018, 15:40:40 I can't agree with you here Broadgage. Bad weather has been used to cancel driving tests here. I had one cancelled many years back due to snow and ice. The candidate's knowledge of level crossing usage of level crossings could have been tested verbally, as in:- "take me through ...", "what would you do if .. ?"
Anyone here sat a driving test in Lincoln? I believe it has a lot of level crossings. Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: LiskeardRich on September 04, 2018, 17:03:05 I'm taking my bus test in mid Cornwall next week, and there is a level crossing on both registered test routes.
Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: Oxonhutch on September 04, 2018, 18:00:50 ... there is a level crossing on both registered test routes. What kind of crossings are they, if I may ask? Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: LiskeardRich on September 05, 2018, 06:15:53 ... there is a level crossing on both registered test routes. What kind of crossings are they, if I may ask? Honest answer. I don’t know the variations of level crossings. It is the crossing on Newquay branch near to St Columb Road station Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: Oxonhutch on September 05, 2018, 11:00:09 Honest answer. I don’t know the variations of level crossings. It is the crossing on Newquay branch near to St Columb Road station Thanks for that. At least that one (https://goo.gl/maps/uBe2VPD39LK2) is a half barrier crossing. I wouldn't fancy doing the next one (https://goo.gl/maps/Q8KDbxsdPNp) in a double-decker ! :o Title: Re: Driving test level crossing crash, Poland Post by: LiskeardRich on September 05, 2018, 16:28:35 Honest answer. I don’t know the variations of level crossings. It is the crossing on Newquay branch near to St Columb Road station Thanks for that. At least that one (https://goo.gl/maps/uBe2VPD39LK2) is a half barrier crossing. I wouldn't fancy doing the next one (https://goo.gl/maps/Q8KDbxsdPNp) in a double-decker ! :o all bus services go down Newquay Rd next to the Queen and Railway pub. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |