Title: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 22, 2012, 17:50:51 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-17123472):
Quote A rail group has warned Cornwall Council to carefully consider the implications of running the county's rail service. In a report the council said it was "considering options of taking on devolved powers for the local railway". The council's scrutiny committee is discussing the proposal which would include setting train times and prices. TravelWatch SouthWest said the council must be aware of the financial implications before investing. Gordon Edwards from TravelWatch SouthWest said: "I support the paper, this is an option worth exploring, but I think we have to think what the government is prepared to put on the table." In a statement the Department for Transport said: "We will shortly publish our command paper on rail reform which will set out our strategy for working with the industry to reduce the cost-base of the railway, producing benefits for taxpayers and farepayers." Matthew Sidney, a council transport manager, said: "It's all about trying to deliver better local provision, having the ability for the local services in our area. "You would then work within the budget and you would be responsible for raising revenue to support those services." He added that the council would "look very carefully" at the benefits before investing. The Great Western Franchise, currently operated by First Great Western trains, is due to expire in March 2013, with a new 15-year agreement due to start next April to run the county's trains. The Cornwall Council report is available on their website, at https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/documents/s43107/Cornwall%20Rail%20Strategy.pdf Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Lee on February 22, 2012, 20:38:29 A wake up call on Page 8 for some in parts of Bristol, South Gloucestershire, Devon and Cornwall who may be under the impression that local authority subsidy will no longer be required once the new franchise starts:
Quote from: Cornwall Rail Strategy 28. The DfT states that the new franchise will be tendered on the basis of the current timetable. This was welcome news as Cornwall currently enjoys a level of service over and above the level of service in the existing franchise specification. However, engagement with DfT officials has confirmed that the additional services currently paid for by local authorities (including the additional Truro -Falmouth services) will not form part of the base specification and so Cornwall Council will have to confirm that it wants to continue to fund the services. 29. If local authorities do not confirm ongoing funding of enhanced services within the new franchise they will return to the service specification level at the start of the existing franchise. This requirement will affect the half hourly service on the Maritime Line between Truro and Falmouth. Cornwall Council will have to continue funding this service level until 2015, as a minimum Are the Appendices online, Chris? Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 22, 2012, 21:11:09 Yes, they are:
Appendix 1 (https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/documents/s43108/Cornwall%20Rail%20Strategy%20-%20Appendix%201.pdf): Cornwall^s Rail Objectives; Appendix 2 (https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/documents/s43109/Cornwall%20Rail%20Strategy%20-%20Appendix%202.pdf): Rail Specification for DfT Investigation; Appendix 3 (https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/documents/s43110/Cornwall%20Rail%20Strategy%20-%20Appendix%203.pdf): Conditions relating to the funding of new or enhanced services promoted by local bodies, DfT; Appendix 4 (https://democracy.cornwall.gov.uk/documents/s43111/Cornwall%20Rail%20Strategy%20-%20Appendix%204.pdf): DfT ^Great Western Franchise Replacement Consultation^ questions. :) Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Lee on February 22, 2012, 21:37:27 Thankyou sir :D
All I will say is this - If they really have submitted all the service improvements contained in Appendix 2 for consideration as priced options, then you cant help but admire their sheer ambition. Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: vacmanfan on February 22, 2012, 22:05:27 Wow great post. Very interesting!
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 22, 2012, 22:07:48 Thanks, vacmanfan - and may I offer you a very warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum? :)
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: vacmanfan on February 22, 2012, 23:09:22 Thanks :)
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Kernow Otter on February 22, 2012, 23:21:42 Fascinating document, thank you. A lot of time and effort has gone into it.
Re the ambition, I suppose there is a "if you don't ask, you don't get" attitude very similar to the wish list the Plymouth is submitting - probably in the full knowledge that if DfT even respond positively to 1/4 of those requests then us in Cornwall shall feel slightly more involved, and somewhat higher up the pecking order than we do at the moment. Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: trainbuff on February 23, 2012, 18:29:55 That is a fascinating report. Problem will be the funding and additional units. The documents are excelent work though. Be a good dream but dont think will happen for a while at least
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: vacmanfan on February 23, 2012, 22:18:29 A very close source of mine says this has already had a lot of thinking done about it. Cornwall will effectively become a "branch line" with a half hourly service from PNZ - PLY/EXD with no HSTs/fewer HSTs/HSTs with fewer stopping points..
Not sure how much truth is in this but apparently this is the councils proposal to NR.. Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Kernow Otter on February 24, 2012, 00:23:00 While the concept of loosing some of our Hst's or/ HST stops is instantly worrying, having thought it through more, then if this allows a decent clockface service for ALL stations in Cornwall that is timed to meet expresses at Plymouth with only a short wait for the onward service then so be it. But it should not be seen as an excuse to downgrade the service. As made clear by Cornwall Council, better stock with greater capacity and comfort would have to follow for it to be popularly accepted.
I would want to see the retention of 4 through London Trains each way daily including the NR, predominantly aimed at the Plymouth and Cornwall long distance traveller - fast from PLY, but with perhaps 1 routing through Bristol for onward connections to the North. Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: RichardB on February 24, 2012, 14:17:25 A very close source of mine says this has already had a lot of thinking done about it. Cornwall will effectively become a "branch line" with a half hourly service from PNZ - PLY/EXD with no HSTs/fewer HSTs/HSTs with fewer stopping points.. Not sure how much truth is in this but apparently this is the councils proposal to NR.. I can tell you that that Cornwall's aspiration is certainly for a half hourly service on the main line, but one of these being a Paddington HST with the other a local service. An hourly Paddington - Penzance service is a key aspiration. Richard Burningham, Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership. Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Kernow Otter on February 24, 2012, 18:11:49 That would be paradise... :)
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: FlyingDutchman on February 25, 2012, 16:04:04 When the article mention Investigating opportunities to improve connectivity between Falmouth, Truro, St Austell and Newquay through a dedicated rail service.
I presume they are talking about the Proposed Loop suggest on the Friends of Atlantic Coast Line http://www.focal.org.uk/index.htm Guy Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: vacmanfan on February 26, 2012, 21:27:08 Apparently the EU money for the coast to coast service is ready and waiting, scheme has to start moving soon otherwise money will be pulled.
Also a new station is to be built by the new eco town between SAU and NQY so plenty to be done! Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: RichardB on February 26, 2012, 23:06:49 Apparently the EU money for the coast to coast service is ready and waiting, scheme has to start moving soon otherwise money will be pulled. Also a new station is to be built by the new eco town between SAU and NQY so plenty to be done! You have to stop listening to that source - they are jumping the gun! Cornwall Council are keen on the St Austell - Newquay line but the price tag, as I understand it, is still a bit on the eye-watering side. Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: vacmanfan on February 26, 2012, 23:11:49 Next time ill put apparently in caps !
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Andy on March 06, 2012, 16:03:49 It's good to see some interesting and progressive ideas emerging with regard to the development of the Cornish rail network, though the retention of the HSTs and the Night Riviera is essential, too. I don't obliging baggage-laden emmets (be they of the grey-haired variety, or those with multiple offspring) to change trains at Plymouth would go down too well for starters.
The establishment of a coast-to-coast service is an idea that has seemed to me to be worth pursuing for quite some time. I'd have thought a park-and-ride stop off the A30 at St. Dennis or using St. Columb Road might bring in extra trade in the summer, too. I take it that the single-line stretch at Long Rock won't be a problem if the St Ives service is extended to Penzance... Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: vacmanfan on March 07, 2012, 10:23:09 "baggage laden emmets"..... Don't you take luggage with you when you go on holiday?
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Andy on March 07, 2012, 11:49:55 Of course Vacmanfan but I thought the addition of "baggage laden" underlined the extra inconvenience involved in changing trains for holiday-makers. Sorry if it was overkill.
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: vacmanfan on March 08, 2012, 21:25:19 Apologies, I just feel that the tourists get a hard time for doing nothing other than keep the Cornish economy alive. I understand now that wasn't your intent.
Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 08, 2012, 21:40:04 Thanks for those useful comments, Andy and vacmanfan. :)
I attended the TravelWatch SouthWest meeting in Taunton, last Saturday, where Mark Hopwood (MD, FGW) explained again that there just isn't a logistically viable answer to the seasonal shortage of luggage space on trains to and from Cornwall in the summer holiday season. Bicycles, surfboards, suitcases, wheelchairs, etc., will take up all of the available luggage space and more - sorry, but there isn't a simple answer, such as "just put more carriages on the trains!" ::) Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Andy on March 08, 2012, 21:44:15 No problems vacmanfan and thanks for pointing it out so I could set the record straight. Tourism is a vital source of income for Cornwall in general and the railways in particular - especially the branch lines to Newquay, St Ives & Looe.
On the subject of branch lines, when reading the proposals about a commuter shuttle from Bodmin "Part-way" to Bodmin General I found myself wondering why this couldn't be a in the form of a heritage service directly negotiated between the Bodmin & Wenford and Cornwall CC, totally independant of NR, FGW et al. Am I being naive? Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: molinnis on March 09, 2012, 08:42:20 On the subject of branch lines, when reading the proposals about a commuter shuttle from Bodmin "Part-way" to Bodmin General I found myself wondering why this couldn't be a in the form of a heritage service directly negotiated between the Bodmin & Wenford and Cornwall CC, totally independant of NR, FGW et al. Am I being naive? I may be wrong but I seem to remember this idea of a commuter connection was trialled or at least considered by B&W in the 90's using the DMU they have. Why it never took off I dont know, possibly because its run in the main by volunteers or possibly parking issues at Bodmin General. Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: Lee on March 12, 2012, 10:17:34 From the Western Morning News: (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/story-15496339-detail/story.html)
Quote from: Western Morning News Councils well placed to take over rail lines Devon and Cornwall are ideally suited to pioneer plans for regions to set their own rail timetables and train fares, a minister has told the Western Morning News. The Government last week unveiled a consultation on devolving control of rail lines from Whitehall alongside plans to overhaul fares and cut costs. Transport Minister Norman Baker told the WMN that Devon County Council and Cornwall Council could be at the vanguard of so-called "de-centralisation". The Liberal Democrat MP said local alliances could re-open lines and stations, decide where trains stop and set fare levels. Mr Baker said: "The Devon and Cornwall area is absolutely suited to the de-centralisation programme we are putting forward because people in Devon and Cornwall value their railway. This is an opportunity for Devon and Cornwall county councils to leap at this." The move complements plans announced already to give business leaders and politicians in the region power to decide which road and rail schemes get Government money from 2015. The plan will see business-led local enterprise partnerships join with councils and other organisations to form a transport consortium. They will be charged with taking decisions on projects worth more than ^5 million. The Westcountry already has an enthusiastic rail lobby, epitomised by the non-profit Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership which has promoted once ailing rural routes and helped secure more trains on over-crowded lines. Rural rail travel is enjoying a resurgence, with commentators claiming services are surpassing even the "golden age" of the 1950s. Figures have revealed all six branch lines in Devon and Cornwall feature in a top ten list of the fastest-growing routes in the country. Many of the now-thriving routes were earmarked for closure by the infamous Beeching cuts in the 1960s, but were later reprieved First Great Western, which operates the routes and inter-city services in the South West, has opted out of the rail franchise covering the region. The Government is consulting on the specification of the new 15-year Great Western franchise, which is to be leased from next year, and is looking to include an element of devolution. Mr Baker also moved to ease fears that plans to find ^3.5 billion of rail "efficiencies" will lead to a repeat of the Beeching cuts. Asked whether the "efficiencies" made rural lines vulnerable to the axe as they are more expensive to run, the minister said: "We've got no plans to close lines. We don't want to do so ^ we want to see the railway grow and we're actually reopening lines." Title: Local Authorities To 'Run' The Railways? Post by: Bob_Blakey on March 12, 2012, 19:49:38 Apologies if I missed this announcement:
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Councils-placed-rail-lines/story-15496339-detail/story.html (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Councils-placed-rail-lines/story-15496339-detail/story.html) I would be fascinated to discover how this could work with the county councils set against the franchise holder(s). Title: Re: TravelWatch SouthWest plea to Cornwall Council on rail Post by: FlyingDutchman on March 13, 2012, 17:57:10 Hi
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