Title: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: JayMac on January 25, 2012, 19:40:28 On Sunday 5th February, Abellio (subsidiary of Nederlandse Spoorwegen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nederlandse_Spoorwegen), cf. Dutch state railways) will take over the Greater Anglia franchise. This new TOC will be known as Greater Anglia. Does exactly what it says on the tin, I suppose. ::)
Their website is up and running with a countdown to the franchise start date: http://www.greateranglia.co.uk/ There is also a Wikipedia entry with more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Anglia Abellio describe this franchise as their first 'solus' UK rail operation. Rather an arcane word that I had to look up. It means 'alone'. Abellio are of course current partners (with Serco) in the Northern and Merseyrail franchises. Thought occurred to me. Wonder if NS decided on bidding for this franchise because it is geographically closest to The Netherlands? :-\ ;) ;D Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Electric train on January 25, 2012, 20:53:38 Are trains going to be yellow in an NS stylee :o ;D
A reintroduction of ferry boat trains Liverpool St to Harwich then onto Hook van Holland used to enjoy that trip Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: EBrown on January 25, 2012, 22:46:31 Can someone tell me why is the franchise so short?
Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: JayMac on January 26, 2012, 00:00:38 The Greater Anglia franchise was up for renewal and put out to tender during the height of the 'McNulty' consultation. DfT decided, in their wisdom, to start a new franchise bidding process rather than offer the extension to the NXEA franchise that was allowed for, as an option, in the current franchise. The DfT also decided to tender a short franchise as an interim measure whilst 'McNulty' was being looked at. The argument being that it would give the government (remember, this tender was the first to be decided/awarded by the ConLib coalition...) time to plan changes in rail franchising policy based on Sir Roy McNulty's Rail Value for Money Study.
Things have moved on since then, but I think National Express, at that time, were seen as persona non grata within the DfT, after they gave up on East Coast, thus forcing the DfT to take over. There's a lot of politics behind the decision to only tender a 29 month franchise for Greater Anglia. Part of that DfT decision (which included NatEx failing to pre-qualify for Greater Anglia) may have been a way of punishing National Express for walking away from East Coast. That said, National Express haven't gone away. There are many new brooms which have swept away all trace of Richard Bowker* and the East Coast fiasco. Whilst, after 5th February, NatEx will only have one franchise (c2c), it's safe to say they aren't giving up on UK Rail. They've poached Elaine Holt from government run East Coast to head up their franchise bid team. She knows her onions, having cut her teeth (too many metaphors?) across various parts of First Group and I don't doubt that she and NatEX will be going full tilt to gain new franchises. NatEx have missed the boats for the InterCity West Coast (Virgin) and Greater Western (FGW) franchises, but there are many more franchises up for renewal in the next few years.... *Remember him? Last heard of playing trains in the Arabian desert! Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: thetrout on January 26, 2012, 02:57:37 The Greater Anglia Franchise seriously needs to sorted, the amount of problems they have on that line is incredible. Their staff are also poorly trained too!
My example of this was when I asked for a First Class Return from Liverpool Street to Stansted Airport. The ticket clerk tried to tell me that a Disabled Railcard wasn't elidgable for discount (Total b*ll*cks). After an argument for 10 minutes I asked for the guy to get his Manager which he refused to do. Sensing I could find myself in hot water as the gentlemen was of an "Ethnic Minority" I said, if you won't give me the discount, I'll just use the TVM. Which in the end is what I did. I sent an e-mail to NXEA explaining the story, 10 weeks later a letter landed on my doormat with was a very brief apology and a ^5 voucher. The trains are also in a terrible state! If you ever want to use the toilet on a NXEA Class 321, my advice, DON'T!! The less said about that the better as i'm sure the moderation team will agree... :o ::) ;D So I'm hoping these Dutch fellows can bring big improvements, but considering the length of the franchise, I won't hold my breath! They already have trout points for saying they'll be providing complimentary refreshments on the Intercity routes and Standsted Express. About bl*ddy time too, considering the prices for First Class tickets on those routes! Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: eightf48544 on January 26, 2012, 11:22:26 Non of these shinanagins answers the Wolmar question: "What are franchises for?"
They certainly don't seem to have very much to do with running the railway. Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Btline on January 26, 2012, 11:38:02 Is it going to be called "Greater Anglia" - that's a bit of a weird name for a franchise!
Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: EBrown on January 26, 2012, 12:09:46 Is it going to be called "Greater Anglia" - that's a bit of a weird name for a franchise! Perhaps inspired from our very own (First) Greater Western?Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: BandHcommuter on January 26, 2012, 13:47:15 NatEx have missed the boats for the InterCity West Coast (Virgin) and Greater Western (FGW) franchises, but there are many more franchises up for renewal in the next few years.... They still have until 9th February to apply to prequalify as a bidder for the Greater Western franchise should they wish to. It will be interesting to see whether National Express is considered to have redeemed itself sufficiently to be invited to tender for this or the other two franchises, Thameslink and Essex Thameside, which are also at the prequalification stage. Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: eightf48544 on January 26, 2012, 15:58:51 Roger Ford has some interesting articles on the three franchises (Greater Western, Thameslink and Essex Thameside) and the dilemas facing DaFT in framing them. Particulary the Greater Western where the franchisee has to run the service through, finishing Reading, Electrification, IEP(brand new including bi-mode), Resignalling to new ERTMS (unproven?) and introduction of Crossrail.
WCML * 5! Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Btline on January 26, 2012, 16:53:59 Yes, but FGW operate the Greater Western franchise as FGW not First Greater Western.
(why isn't it just Great Western anyway?) Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: paul7575 on January 26, 2012, 17:20:34 Greater Western was used for the franchise name by DfT to differentiate it from Great Western + Great Western Link + Wessex all combined, IIRC...
Likewise DfT use Greater Anglia as the combined name for three previous franchises, Great Eastern, Anglia, and the West Anglia part of what used to be WAGN. Paul Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: eightf48544 on January 26, 2012, 18:57:26 Still doesn't answer the Wolmar question.
Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: EBrown on January 26, 2012, 22:56:55 Yes, but FGW operate the Greater Western franchise as FGW not First Greater Western. First Great Western I believe is owned by First Greater Western Ltd, which in turn is a part of First Group.(why isn't it just Great Western anyway?) Interestingly, as I searched Companies House I noticed First also own the company name "First Greater Anglia Limited"; perhaps they will be bidding on the next Greater Anglia franchise? Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Brucey on January 26, 2012, 23:59:14 First Great Western I believe is owned by First Greater Western Ltd, which in turn is a part of First Group. First Greater Western Ltd are owned by First Rail Holdings Ltd, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of FirstGroup plc.Interestingly, as I searched Companies House I noticed First also own the company name "First Greater Anglia Limited"; perhaps they will be bidding on the next Greater Anglia franchise? First Rail Holdings Ltd wholly own: FIRST CAPITAL CONNECT LIMITED FIRST CROSS COUNTRY LIMITED FIRST DOCKLANDS LIMITED FIRST EAST MIDLANDS LIMITED FIRST GREAT NORTHERN LIMITED FIRST GREATER ANGLIA LIMITED FIRST GREATER WESTERN LIMITED FIRST METRO LIMITED FIRST SCOTRAIL LIMITED FIRST SOUTH WESTERN LIMITED FIRST WEST COAST LIMITED (Apologies for the caps, I copied and pasted this) FirstGroup plc also own a number of other rail related companies: THE NEW GREAT EASTERN RAILWAY COMPANY LIMITED GB RAILWAYS GROUP PLC (and subsidiaries) GREAT WESTERN HOLDINGS LIMITED (and subsidiaries) HULL TRAINS COMPANY LIMITED (80%*) FIRST/KEOLIS TRANSPENNINE LIMITED (55%*) * = Shareholding according to the information this service holds, which isn't always correct or up-to-date Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Btline on January 27, 2012, 00:59:57 First Docklands? ???
Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Brucey on January 27, 2012, 07:14:20 First Docklands? ??? First registered in 1998, currently dormant.Many name changes: 20/05/2005 FIRST CARILLION LIMITED 01/12/2004 ESSEX BUSES LIMITED 02/01/2003 FIRST ESSEX BUSES LIMITED 09/06/1998 POINTED TUNE LIMITED Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: JayMac on February 05, 2012, 02:25:05 A TOC is dead. Long live the TOC! ;D
National Express East Anglia are no more. Abellio Greater Anglia's franchise started at 0200. First scheduled train for the new franchise is, I believe, the 0440 to Broxbourne, although there is a rail replacement bus to Stansted Airport at 0410. EDIT: To add. There is one remaining NXEA service out there. The 2245 Cambridge - Bury St Edmunds is heavily delayed due to the weather. Live departures showing over 3 hours overdue at Bury St Edmunds. Last heard of near Newmarket, possibly stuck. Pity the poor passengers if that is the case. Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: John R on February 05, 2012, 10:26:59 Just a shame that their website, having had a countdown for the last few months, is currently not available. I suspect some of their passengers would quite like to have some information on services, judging by the weather in the east.
Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: thetrout on February 05, 2012, 22:06:15 I was about to say before John R beat me to it...
Their website on their first day of Operation has crashed...! as of 22:00 - 05/02/2012 It's live but only has a very basic page on it showing an amended Monday Service... ::) I wondering if this is a sign of things to come? What a way to start eh! Or maybe their IT Staff need replacing?? :D Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on February 06, 2012, 12:18:27 When the current greater western franchise was on offer, National Express was the only bidder to approach the Cotswold Line Promotion Group and hold a meeting to find out what collectively CLPG knew about the ten current operations, failings and aspirations.
Title: Re: A new TOC cometh..... Post by: Btline on February 07, 2012, 11:25:44 I really don't like their website (now it actually works).
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