Title: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Btline on January 05, 2012, 15:40:52 Passengers clambered down onto the tracks today to help staff clear a fallen tree of a rail line in Warwickshire. This occurred on a day when Network Rail were stretched to the limit as trees came crashing down across the region.
As a result of the passengers actions, the line was re-opened after only 40 minutes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-16422955? Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: ChrisB on January 05, 2012, 16:10:16 I'm surprised that NR didn't insist on checking for themselves that there wasn't any damage to their rails / equipment before services were allowed to resume.
Also, it's reasonably easy to alight from a train not at a platform - I wonder how they all got back onboard? Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: grahame on January 05, 2012, 16:16:54 I note that the incident happened at Wood End ;D
Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: inspector_blakey on January 05, 2012, 18:48:38 I'm surprised that NR didn't insist on checking for themselves that there wasn't any damage to their rails / equipment before services were allowed to resume. Also, it's reasonably easy to alight from a train not at a platform - I wonder how they all got back onboard? Possibly there was an NR mobile operations manager on scene directing operations, otherwise maybe it was a commendable piece of pragmatism by a controller somewhere who was prepared to trust the judgement of the train crew that the problem had been fully dealt with. If you're hale and hearty enough to climb down out of a train it's not that much more difficult getting back up again, and guards'/drivers' doors are provided with steps and grab rails for this reason so assuming it was only a few passengers I doubt there would have been any trouble getting back on-board. Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 05, 2012, 20:02:04 There's also the option of deploying the emergency ladders to aid re-boarding if necessary. :-X
Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: vacman on January 05, 2012, 21:16:19 also an incident at four OAKS! :D
Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: EBrown on January 07, 2012, 19:29:34 Passengers clambered down onto the tracks today to help staff clear a fallen tree of a rail line in Warwickshire. This occurred on a day when Network Rail were stretched to the limit as trees came crashing down across the region. Where does it say the emphasised part in the article. I am struggling to find it.As a result of the passengers actions, the line was re-opened after only 40 minutes. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-16422955? Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: paul7575 on January 07, 2012, 19:42:08 It isn't unusual for the BBC to edit a story without changing the URL, unfortunately. It's probably been
Paul Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 07, 2012, 19:44:54 Hmm. ::)
Btline: were you quoting verbatim from that particular BBC news item, in your original post? That BBC news item itself is marked as Quote 5 January 2012 Last updated at 21:11 - some time after Btline's original post. :-XTitle: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: paul7575 on January 07, 2012, 20:00:56 Googling 'rail passengers remove tree' suggests the story was definitely live at some stage - as far as the results page goes, there are a couple of local news sites appearing to cross reference to the BBC site, none of which seems to make sense now...
Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Brucey on January 07, 2012, 20:02:20 I certainly read a story on the BBC website where it was suggested that passengers did indeed help move trees. I'm not sure whether it was this article or a different one.
Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Btline on January 07, 2012, 21:40:36 It was not a quote, but the article headline was something "along the lines of" what I wrote. The article made a specific reference to passengers helping.
Perhaps the managers have slammed the decision, and London Midland want to minimise people reading it. Otherwise we'll have people prising the doors open every time a train slows down! Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 07, 2012, 21:54:24 Fair enough.
Were those fallen trees AXED to clear them from the tracks, by any chance? CfN. :o Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Btline on January 07, 2012, 22:11:19 ;D
I expect NR will be getting the chainsaws out to that line to prevent it happening again! The "Four Oaks", may become three... or none! :'( Reminds me of that article you posted a while back Chris about Network Rail axing all those trees in North London - now we know why it has to be done. ::) Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 07, 2012, 22:18:37 Yes ... on a rather more serious note, that thought had occurred to me as well.
It's all very well for some people to 'hug trees' on railway embankments or cuttings to prevent them from being felled - but when those trees show their gratitude by shedding their leaves or even collapsing altogether onto the railway line, there's a public outcry about the train delays caused ... ::) Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 08, 2012, 16:47:16 From the Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/01/06/west-midlands-road-and-rail-hit-by-storm-force-winds-97319-30067790/) dated 6 January 2012:
Quote West Midlands road and rail hit by storm force winds Storm force winds battered the West Midlands, damaging power lines and knocking trees on to roads and rail lines as they caused travel misery across the region. Train passengers and staff escaped injury just before noon yesterday when a tree fell on to London Midland^s 10.27am service from Redditch to Lichfield Trent Valley, between Sutton Coldfield and Four Oaks. Overhead electricity cables were understood to have broken the tree^s fall as it landed on the northbound train, with passengers eventually escorted on foot to a coach waiting in Boswell Road. Buses were put on with dozens of services affected as the line was closed while engineers worked throughout the day to clear the tree. It was the day^s second incident involving a London Midland service. Train users had helped clear a line after gusts of up to 55mph knocked a tree onto tracks at Wood End station, between Stratford-upon-Avon and Shirley, at 7am. Line operator London Midland said that because Network Rail staff were overwhelmed with incidents, the train^s crew and some of the passengers helped to clear the line. Another tree was blown onto the line near Stourbridge Junction, causing rush hour delays, while Western Power Distribution confirmed around 6,000 properties in the Walsall area were left without power as debris damaged power lines in the early hours yesterday. (My highlighting. Chris.) Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Btline on January 08, 2012, 20:30:33 No doubt the train crew in question will get sacked...
Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: JayMac on January 08, 2012, 20:39:01 Why? What's to say that the 'train users' weren't rail staff?
Even if they weren't there's been little or no negative comment from London Midland. That said there is some doubt being expressed across the internet rail community that it was passengers who had helped out. Allied to that, the BBC soon changed the story..... Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 08, 2012, 20:57:34 Well, the Birmingham Mail seem pretty sure about their story: from another article (http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/01/05/gales-cause-misery-for-birmingham-rail-commuters-97319-30065820/), dated 5 January 2012:
Quote Gales cause misery for Birmingham rail commuters Gales of up to 60mph caused misery for rail passengers trying to make their journey to work in the region this morning. Trains travelling from Stratford to Birmingham Snow Hill were delayed by up to 30 minutes after gusts of up to 55mph knocked a tree onto a railway line at Wood End station, between Stratford and Shirley. Passengers were even roped into action to help clear the tracks. A London Midland spokesman said Network Rail was dealing with a large number of incidents at the time and so the train crew and passengers worked together to shift the debris, which shut the line for 40 minutes. (Again, my highlighting. Chris.) Title: Re: Passengers help to get trains moving Post by: JayMac on January 08, 2012, 21:16:33 Mess room talk elsewhere is that these 'passengers' may well have been off duty rail staff.
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