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Author Topic: Police release film of suspects' 'terror targets' (15 December 2009)  (Read 4592 times)
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« on: December 15, 2009, 22:45:00 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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Police have released footage which they say was made by a suspected terror cell filming potential targets.

They believe an Algerian gang was conducting reconnaissance for a plot to target train stations in London.

It was released amid a continuing row with photographers over the rights to take pictures in public places.

Previous terror cases have involved potential bombers who filmed targets, but campaigners say terror laws are being use to harass photographers.

City of London Police released the footage of what it called "hostile reconnaissance" to illustrate why police may stop photographers.

The footage was recorded on a man's mobile phone as he travelled around London in July, 2008. Five men were arrested after he was caught filming and acting suspiciously at Liverpool Street station, police said.

The footage showed him examining Oxford Circus, Mornington Crescent and Camden Town Tube stations. He had filmed underground maps and lifts, CCTV (Closed Circuit Tele Vision) cameras, entrances and exits of stations.

Extensive footage was also recorded at Liverpool Street railway station and at the Broadgate Circle shopping and restaurant plaza.

Police discovered the gang also visited shopping centres in Hatfield, Hertfordshire, Bluewater in Kent, and Bridgend, south Wales.

Two men were subsequently convicted of a huge mobile phone and luxury goods fraud scam and deported after serving prison sentences.
 
The police said the CPS had decided there was sufficient evidence to bring terrorism charges, but it was not in the public interest because they would have received the same sentence as for fraud.

Police believe the men may have been a fundraising and research arm of an al Qaeda-linked group in North Africa.

Det Supt Chris Greany, head of counter-terrorism at City of London Police, said: "Hostile reconnaissance footage is a tradable commodity within terrorist circles. The actual attack team do not have to expose themselves to the risk of being disrupted. We want to set a balance between the challenges of policing and legitimate photography by tourists and the media."

Police discovered that the 7 July 2005 London suicide bombers carried out reconnaissance of the Underground trains network prior to their attacks, one of the trips being a week before they struck.

The National Union of Journalists and the British Press Photographers' Association claim counter-terrorism laws are being used to harass photographers. In some cases photographers' images are deleted or individuals told photography of public buildings and officers in uniform is banned.

A demonstration over the issue took place in February, with hundreds of photographers gathering outside New Scotland Yard. They said an amendment to the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 could be interpreted as banning photographs of police and certain places and leave them open to arrest.

Shami Chakrabarti of Liberty said the law has "always been an accident waiting repeatedly to happen" and Parliament should step in to revise it.

NUJ General Secretary Jeremy Dear said: "We need senior officers to ensure that police on the ground respect the rights of journalists and members of the public. That basic fact isn't changed by any of the information released today."
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 09:34:12 »

Very interesting.

Isn't this exactly what good police work is all about. The most interesting thing is that it seems rather than just going up to some  one innocently filming and saying "oy what are you doing, you can't do that here", they obviously spent some time observing this guy at different locations and got enough evidence to show he was behaving suspiciously.

So perhaps harrassing gricers is part of cunning plan to allow "them" to observe the prime suspects without arousing suspision that they under oberservation.


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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 10:18:14 »

No, they did do exactly that, checked his phone, found filming from other sensitive areas, arrested him, searched his flat and found their evidence....

but that was video filming, not taking STILL pics. There is a difference....
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2009, 00:46:41 »

And with a mobile phone, not an enormous DSLR and a 4ft Telephoto lense.

As has been said all along to these jobsworth muppets.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2009, 08:35:25 »

It may be worth reiterating out that none of this "Algerian gang" were even charged with any terrorist offences, let alone convicted.
This release of "footage" was just another attempt by the police to cover their tracks on yet another botched "anti-terrorism operation".

As a fairly keen photographer I have been following the wider debate on this subject with interest and I have to say that I find most of the police statements on this to be highly unconvincing at the least.

"Police discovered that the 7 July 2005 London suicide bombers carried out reconnaissance of the Underground trains network prior to their attacks, one of the trips being a week before they struck" No evidence whatsoever of photography being carried out by these people - so why mention it ? Just to muddy the waters and make some sort of justification of their actions on a later incident.

"Hostile reconnaissance footage is a tradable commodity within terrorist circles" says a senior policeman - poppycock ! Why should a piece of poor quality, shaky mobile phone footage be worth "trading" when top quality photographs and far more detailed specific information can be obtained from Googlemap, Streetmap and literally hundreds/thousands of other reputable sources on the web ?
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2009, 11:44:21 »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/6873728/Police-should-stop-treating-photographers-as-terrorists.html
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2009, 21:05:26 »

why not introduce a licence that way they would know who was on there property!
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 13:22:21 »

Why should they? As previously stated, photographers with serious equipment aren't a threat....
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