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« Reply #1740 on: October 08, 2024, 11:54:42 » |
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HS2▸ "could go to Euston" HMG announce https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crm2843glmjoSensible IMHO▸ .
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1741 on: October 08, 2024, 12:47:11 » |
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IMHO too. Other reports have a stronger "will go" slant to them. |
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Now, please!
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« Reply #1742 on: October 08, 2024, 13:56:01 » |
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Slightly off topic but I've heard go ahead will be given for a new bakerloo line fleet
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« Reply #1743 on: October 08, 2024, 14:45:19 » |
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Slightly off topic but I've heard go ahead will be given for a new bakerloo line fleet
That had to happen at some point soon! |
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« Reply #1744 on: October 08, 2024, 15:52:12 » |
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Was any indication given as to how much it'll cost and.........Oooooooooo's gonna pay for it? Privately funded or taxpayer? |
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« Reply #1745 on: October 08, 2024, 16:22:00 » |
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No indication given.
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« Reply #1746 on: October 08, 2024, 19:21:04 » |
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Slightly off topic but I've heard go ahead will be given for a new bakerloo line fleet
Really hope so as the Bakerloo line is desperately in need of new stock. Good for jobs too that an add on order to the Piccadilly line order goes ahead. |
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« Reply #1747 on: October 08, 2024, 21:03:44 » |
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From the GuardianBuilding HS2▸ to Euston and Crewe could pay for itself, analysis finds
Extending high-speed line at both ends would let government charge more for rights to run it, rail leaders say
Building HS2 all the way to London Euston and Crewe could save the government money by enabling it to lease the line out for much more, rail industry leaders have told ministers, as the Treasury weighs up whether to fund tunnels to central London.
The High Speed Rail Group proposes selling the rights to run the line as a long-term concession – on a similar basis to the HS1▸ rail route linking the capital to the Channel tunnel.
Such a concession would be worth about £20bn if fully developed from central London and joining lines to northern cities, but just a fraction of that under current plans to terminate at Old Oak Common and Birmingham, according to an analysis for HSRG.
The coalition of rail and engineering companies, whose members include Hitachi, Alstom, Siemens and Avanti West Coast, argues that spending billions more now to reach Euston and Crewe would still save the Treasury £3.5bn in the long run.
The claims come as the government decides whether to reinstate tunnelling work to Euston, at a critical juncture in construction. Two giant tunnel-boring machines from Germany are still being installed at Old Oak Common despite the last government suspending wider works, after construction contractors warned that it would be hugely more costly and difficult to contemplate tunnelling once the west London station was completed.
While the transport secretary, Louise Haigh, has indicated the government wants to ensure HS2 reaches into central London, the chancellor, Rachel Reeves, has also asked ministers to draw up billions of pounds’ worth of infrastructure cuts.
According to some reports, Reeves is nonetheless planning to announce guarantees for HS2 to Euston in the 30 October budget. However, the funding mechanism is not clear, with Labour having said it would not overturn Rishi Sunak’s shock axing of HS2’s construction into central London and north of Birmingham last October.
Although Labour has pledged to nationalise train operating companies, it has also wooed private investors to potentially build more infrastructure.
HS1 was sold by the government in 2010 for £2.1bn as a 30-year concession to two Canadian pension funds, which resold the rights to other private equity investors in 2017 for £3bn. Concession owners recoup the investment through track access charges to operators such as Eurostar and income from St Pancras station.
In the analysis by HSRG and the policy group Greengauge 21, the current line from Old Oak Common to Birmingham Curzon Street will cost £47bn, but its limitations mean the railway would have a potential concession value of only £5bn. However, building on to Euston and Crewe, while costing another £11.5bn, could make it worth £20bn.
The National Audit Office, among others, has warned that the truncated HS2 risks worsening current services north of Birmingham owing to a lack of capacity when high-speed trains join the overcrowded west coast line.
Dyan Perry, the chair of HSRG and a former chief executive of HS1, said she “appreciates that the forthcoming budget will involve ministers making tough choices. However, short-term decisions to cut investment into infrastructure would be deeply damaging to the UK▸ , creating uncertainty and jeopardising investor confidence.
“We strongly urge Treasury officials to carefully consider our recommendations and take action to ensure the UK can fully realise the benefits of a connected rail network.”
The wider fate of Euston station is still to be decided, with uncertainty over HS2 putting full rebuilding on hold. The Department for Transport and Network Rail last week announced a short-term plan to urgently improve the overcrowded and unappealing terminus, including immediately turning off the much-criticised enormous advertising screen.
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« Reply #1748 on: October 08, 2024, 22:23:06 » |
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Was any indication given as to how much it'll cost and.........Oooooooooo's gonna pay for it?
Privately funded or taxpayer?
No indication given.
It could all be covered by our Prime Minister's personal wardrobe budget.  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #1749 on: October 08, 2024, 22:27:59 » |
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Was any indication given as to how much it'll cost and.........Oooooooooo's gonna pay for it?
Privately funded or taxpayer?
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It could all be covered by our Prime Minister's personal wardrobe budget. Which wasn't funded from the public purse. |
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« Reply #1750 on: October 08, 2024, 22:32:38 » |
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Exactly. |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #1751 on: October 09, 2024, 08:06:59 » |
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Was any indication given as to how much it'll cost and.........Oooooooooo's gonna pay for it? Privately funded or taxpayer? If as UK▸ PLC we look at HS2 as a 100 to 120 year investment over that time it will more than pay for itself. A comparison is Crossrail all the naysayers said leading up to and during its construction that no one would ever use it ant would be a white elephant. In the UK we worry too much about the cost of something and not the value of it |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #1752 on: October 09, 2024, 08:35:48 » |
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The Times reporting that HS2▸ lite may built. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78dxlvqy25oBBC» News showing all the national newspaper front pages. For the Times you have to scroll down to read it, the fourth from the top. |
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« Reply #1753 on: October 09, 2024, 17:05:59 » |
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I think Labour are changing the rules with borrowing for large scale infrastructure projects so I think hs2 to Euston and hs2 lite to Crewe at least will benefit. To Euston it's⁸ a no brainer and it's a cheap time to do it as everything is in place ready.
I do hope provisions are made toa allow a hs2 eastern leg to Leeds to be resurrected in the future as the east coast mainline and midland are fast filling up.
A future GWML▸ HS▸ line we need to start planning for especially with some many new services proposed etc
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« Reply #1754 on: October 10, 2024, 05:39:58 » |
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Was any indication given as to how much it'll cost and.........Oooooooooo's gonna pay for it? Privately funded or taxpayer? If as UK▸ PLC we look at HS2 as a 100 to 120 year investment over that time it will more than pay for itself. A comparison is Crossrail all the naysayers said leading up to and during its construction that no one would ever use it ant would be a white elephant. In the UK we worry too much about the cost of something and not the value of it Cost is objective, value is subjective. |
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