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« on: December 17, 2023, 12:46:36 » |
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not sure if there is a document some where that states IET▸ 's are permitted through the Elizabeth line route
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2023, 16:09:04 » |
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not sure if there is a document some where that states IET▸ 's are permitted through the Elizabeth line route
It's highly unlikely that they'll be allowed at present into the tunnel section from Royal Oak eastwards, even though they share the tracks outward to Reading. For passenger service, I would be gobsmacked if doors lined up with any of the platform door - we are in an age of specialisation where things are sometimes too clever to be compatible with one another. I still fancy the idea of through services from the West of England to - say - Switzerland. Weymouth to Interlaken, or Maesteg to St Gallen? |
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2023, 16:45:37 » |
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Apart from anything else there are daily struggles to find enough IETs▸ to run the service west of Paddington, we don't want to start losing them to places like Abbey Wood or Shenfield.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2023, 17:15:43 » |
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Thank you for your reply's,
was thinking more of the IET▸ passing straight through from Paddington to the east(other) side of london
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2023, 17:40:47 » |
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Thank you for your reply's,
was thinking more of the IET▸ passing straight through from Paddington to the east(other) side of london
Good idea. Bristol to Colchester-Ipswich-Norwich or Bristol to Margate, Dover/Folkestone. Never happen, though shows with a direct West to East direct line what could be done. |
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2023, 19:35:05 » |
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Good idea. Bristol to Colchester-Ipswich-Norwich or Bristol to Margate, Dover/Folkestone. Never happen, though shows with a direct West to East direct line what could be done.
But, yet ... Brighton to Cambridge, and to Bedford. |
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2023, 19:54:45 » |
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It wasn’t that long ago there was a through service from Basingstoke to East Anglia.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2023, 20:03:16 » |
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It wasn’t that long ago there was a through service from Basingstoke to East Anglia.
Indeed. If a service is infrequent, slow, unreliable, not marketed and misses out central London it's going to be tough for it to succeed. I understand this service had many if not all of those issues. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2023, 20:04:16 » |
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Through the Elizabeth Line core, no is the short answer. First they are not equipped with the CBTC▸ signalling system used in the Elizabeth Line core, the doors do not line up with the PEDs
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2023, 20:28:36 » |
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Good idea. Bristol to Colchester-Ipswich-Norwich or Bristol to Margate, Dover/Folkestone. Never happen, though shows with a direct West to East direct line what could be done.
It was a good while ago I used a railtour as public transport. Kemble to Dover overnight, mind, loco and reasonably well filled carriages. The destination of the people on the railtour involved connecting into a ferry though it called at Dover Priory. Presuming it then headed off to Dover Marine. Mark |
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2023, 23:15:15 » |
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Thank you for your reply's,
was thinking more of the IET▸ passing straight through from Paddington to the east(other) side of london
Well if you wanted to link the West Country to Europe I guess that it shouldn't be too difficult to send an 80x round the North Downs line to Redhill and thence to Ashford for onward connections (which would need Eurostar to start stopping again, but anyway). As for the North and South London Lines, I suspect they might be a little too curvy for 26m long carriages. East-West rail might work nicely though - Bristol to Milton Keynes via Oxford anyone? |
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2023, 06:37:33 » |
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Well if you wanted to link the West Country to Europe I guess that it shouldn't be too difficult to send an 80x round the North Downs line to Redhill and thence to Ashford for onward connections (which would need Eurostar to start stopping again, but anyway).
As for the North and South London Lines, I suspect they might be a little too curvy for 26m long carriages. East-West rail might work nicely though - Bristol to Milton Keynes via Oxford anyone?
Liverpool to Ashford ... 30 years ago from http://www.1s76.com/1S76%201990.htm as well as Manchester to Eastbourne and Glasgow to Brighton. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2023, 07:24:48 » |
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Thank you for your reply's,
was thinking more of the IET▸ passing straight through from Paddington to the east(other) side of london
Well if you wanted to link the West Country to Europe I guess that it shouldn't be too difficult to send an 80x round the North Downs line to Redhill and thence to Ashford for onward connections (which would need Eurostar to start stopping again, but anyway). As for the North and South London Lines, I suspect they might be a little too curvy for 26m long carriages. East-West rail might work nicely though - Bristol to Milton Keynes via Oxford anyone? Why the slow route via the North Downs? From the GWML▸ via Up and DN Populars' (the link from Acton Yard to the North London Line) round the North London Line to where in has a link onto HS1▸ near Kings Cross at Incline. So you could have a South Wales and West Country trains non stop Reading - Paris  |
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2023, 15:06:21 » |
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It wasn’t that long ago there was a through service from Basingstoke to East Anglia.
Indeed. If a service is infrequent, slow, unreliable, not marketed and misses out central London it's going to be tough for it to succeed. I understand this service had many if not all of those issues. It would also never be suggested nowadays, given the vastly increased overground frequencies. When they first tried it the NLL was practically an unknown backwater… |
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2023, 16:21:32 » |
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Thank you for your reply's,
was thinking more of the IET▸ passing straight through from Paddington to the east(other) side of london
Well if you wanted to link the West Country to Europe I guess that it shouldn't be too difficult to send an 80x round the North Downs line to Redhill and thence to Ashford for onward connections (which would need Eurostar to start stopping again, but anyway). As for the North and South London Lines, I suspect they might be a little too curvy for 26m long carriages. East-West rail might work nicely though - Bristol to Milton Keynes via Oxford anyone? Why the slow route via the North Downs? From the GWML▸ via Up and DN Populars' (the link from Acton Yard to the North London Line) round the North London Line to where in has a link onto HS1▸ near Kings Cross at Incline. So you could have a South Wales and West Country trains non stop Reading - Paris Fair enough. Actually, I wonder, if the various bits of 25kV infill were done, could you perhaps have a Javelin from Paris to Bristol round the NLL seeing as it has TVM▸ -430 signalling for HS1? |
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