Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 19:15, 10th March 2008 |
You never (as I always say) read about the good journeys!
You do sometimes read about the good journeys, Jim - but not as often as you and I would like.
Let me tell you about a marvellous chap who goes (or alas, more likely went as he will be 100 by now if he's still around) by the name of Percy Danks. Percy worked for the old British Rail and my memories are of a long time ago - post steam, though, so it must have been in the 1970s when there was still stock around that was utilised in morning peaks only - or on Summer Saturdays. Percy made use of that stock during offseason weekends, arranging special trips on the London Midland region from Euston, St Pancras and Marylebone to - well - all sorts of places.
My memory of detail has faded a little - but I can come up with so many destinations we visited. To Llandudno and Llandrindod Wells, to York and Carlisle, to Grange-over-Sands and Christmas shopping to Birmingham. Trips to places off the railway too, with coach connections; via Ruabon to Llangollen, via Northanpton to Stoke Bruerne, and even via Mallaig to Portree. And Mystery excursions too where we never knew quite where we would end up. St Pancras to Southport, to Newport and to Margate. Marylebone to Morcambe, and others since forgotten.
Merrymakers were comprised for the most part of 10 cars or so, mostly side corridor Mark 1s ... and they set out from the London termini sometime between 07:30 and 08:30, picking up at a variety of suburban stations on their way out. And that early start meant that the loyal customer base from south of the river had to be up really early. It was nothing unusuakl to get on the 06:03 from Petts Wood to Victoria - a 4 car, slam-door EPB, predawn.
There was always Percy - or another host as he was running 3 and 4 trains some weekends - waiting to greet his customers in London; rarely the newest of stock but always well cleaned and usually warm - sure, we had our "events" - our delays caused by vandals near Shrewsbury or failed train heating somewhere in November - but usually tre trains reached their destinations at around lunchtime. Of course a lot of the pleasure was in the journey - seeing the countryside through wide, nontinted windows that were pitched the same as the seats. Rattling over the track that made the diddly-dumb noises that told you that you were moving. And on Euston trips seeing the loco change at Wolverhampton, or Crewe ...
Arrival at destination - around lunchtime - but the seasoned Merrymakers had already eaten on the train and were off to explore the Orme, the city walls, or find the best Haggis stall in England in the market. Six to eight hours was just right to see a city or a resort that you had never seen before, see a museum in a far flung town, or enjoy a river trip. Memories are of always-sunny days but there were, I think some sodden trips with macs dripping all over the train floor when we dragged to the station, got back in and headed home. And my pictures are black and white print film - home processed it was so long ago.
The journey home and the train was more like a party that a regular run; everybody talking to everyone - seeing presents bought, learning life stories until we dragged back into London at around 10:30. Often not quite on time - occasionally very early, rarely very late. Indeed - the last trains back to Petts Wood were from Blackfriars at 00:20, 00:23 and 01:00 and I NEVER found myself on the 01:00.
I googled for Percy Danks and for Merrymaker before I wrote this and I drew a sad blank - perhaps in time this post will come up for people and they can add on to this thread, write more memories. I know we always look back through rosy tintend spectacles at these trips but there were good - they must have been - otherwise we wouldn't have gone on 10 or 12 every year, and waited excited for the new schedule each winter to plan our year ahead.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by chiefsub68 at 21:55, 12th May 2011 |
Hi - I met Percy Danks once. He used to run tours to join the cruises to Norway and Morocco aboard TS Avalon, the Harwich-Hook ferry. Avalon was used for cruises once she became the spare ship. She was an oil-guzzler and was, unfortunately, out of date when she was launched. British Rail (later Sealink) ran several cruises with sailings from Harwich. Percy and my father, who was captain of the Avalon, became good friends.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 02:35, 13th May 2011 |
I remember something similar operating in the North East in the early 1970s. A 12-car set made up of full brake, 2xSO, full kitchen, 4xSO, full kitchen, 2xSO and full brake. Class 40 on the front, with the brakes there to improve the ride quality. I think that adds up to 512 seats.
I was at Newcastle University at the time, and someone in our department had spotted this offering a midweek excursion to Bangor, with coach tours from there to Caernarvon Castle and Portmeirion. Picking up at Durham, Dalrlington and York, then via Wakefield Kirkgate and Manchester Victoria to Chester and the North Wales line. Aimed at the WI market. A fabulous price that included lunch on the way out and dinner on the way back. Our man organised a minibus to collect our small party, go to Portmadoc and do a return trip on the Festiniog.
Same train was probably offering different destinations and different start points during the season - but I don't have any details of those.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by signalandtelegraph at 07:07, 13th May 2011 |
Went on a couple fom Taunton in the late 70's. Isle of Wight for ^3 and a mystery trip that ended up in Clacton on Sea.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:20, 13th May 2011 |
Welcome to the Coffee Shop forum, chiefsub68 - and thanks for adding your personal recollections to update this interesting topic. Those were the days, eh?
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by at 14:41, 15th May 2011 |
The late 1970s trips from Newcastle included Cambridge, Oban and Aberdeen. These were just a few pounds and gave you a couple of hours at the destination. I recall most seats were taken outward and a few spaces on return.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Phil at 15:33, 15th May 2011 |
Some friends of mine who lived in Bath took a fortnight's holiday holiday in Norfolk one wet summer in the late 1970s and, starting to run out of things to do in the seemingly endless torrential rain, excitedly boarded a Merrymaker mystery trip on the second Sunday of their holiday, thinking that at least they'd be in the dry for most of the day.
The mystery tour took them to see the sights of.... Bath.
So, they went home, had a cup of tea, watched a bit of telly, and boarded the train back to Norwich at the appointed time.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 16:28, 15th May 2011 |
Ah ... I'm so happy to see this thread spluttering to life. Those were some fantastic trips. Mystex from St Pancras ... to Newport, or Margate, Morcambe or Southport. And - yes - my folks did come from Southport, but the pleasure was as much in the journey as the getting there. And planned destinations from Llandudno to Durham, and from Stoke Bruerne (with bus transfer) and Llandrindod Wells to Weymouth and Carlisle.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Andrew1939 from West Oxon at 17:14, 15th May 2011 |
If any of the nostalgic members of this forum and who live in the vicinity of the Cotswold Line would like to experience this atmosphere again, the Cotswold Line Promotion Group is organising a charter train from Hereford to Portsmouth Harbour on 10 September. The atmosphere on recent excursions has been very much as the old Merrymaker trains with everyone going out for a pleasure day and no workers with lapstops and mobiles on the go! Even the FGW staff look forward to these excursions with no shortage of volunteers to staff the train. Details on clpg.co.uk but booking until 1st July is CLPG member only (but you could join before then!). Fares are also around the current price equivalent of Merrymaker fares in the 50/60s ' ^30/^32 per standard class seat!
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:15, 15th May 2011 |
In the circumstances, I suppose we're happy to support that shameless plug for the Cotswold Line Promotion Group excursion ...
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by smokey at 11:20, 22nd September 2011 |
I've got some good memories of Merry Makers,
They were great for odd motive power and going over freight only lines.
Remember a Day trip from Wellingborough & other East Midland Stations on a Summer Saturday, going Grosmont & Whitby, sailed straight through Grosmont, (no instruction to call) so within Minutes of arriving in Whitby a 3 car unit made a trip to Grosmont for the NYMR passengers.
Week Later a Mystery Excusion Ran, from same stations ran to Whitby
On another Mystery Excursion that Started from Wellingborough, called Stations to Derby, connections from Nottingham, then Class 47 ran round and we set off south to Portsmouth & Southsea.
Of course if the Mystery Ex turned up behind a pair of Class 25's destination was Aberystwyth.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 20:08, 29th September 2018 |
I've got some good memories of Merry Makers ...
Ah ... I'm so happy to see this thread spluttering to life. Those were some fantastic trips ...
I've spent much of today filling a skip with the detrius of ages and rescuing memories as we downsize. A bit dirty having been in the garage for 20 years, but I came across a coin collector's album I had used for rail tickets and here is a Merrymaker page - ah, fond memories. A rail commuter into London in those days, I then scarcely even used a train through the 1980s and 1990s, though drove up to 30,000 miles a year.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by PhilWakely at 16:33, 30th September 2018 |
Of course if the Mystery Ex turned up behind a pair of Class 25's destination was Aberystwyth.
I remember participating in several from Exeter - one to Aberystwyth, which was 'Western' hauled as far as Shrewsbury (via Hereford), with a pair of 24s taking over through mid-Wales. We were held somewhere west of Newtown for 30 minutes whilst a heifer calved right beside the railway.
The others were to Clacton-on-sea, Canterbury and Lincoln.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:01, 30th September 2018 |
Danks for the memories.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by bradshaw at 19:53, 30th September 2018 |
Then, in the 1980s, there were the ‘Network Days’ and the Persil voucher scheme, exchanging them for rail tickets,
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by martyjon at 20:20, 30th September 2018 |
Then, in the 1980s, there were the ‘Network Days’ and the Persil voucher scheme, exchanging them for rail tickets,
Didn't Kellogg's get in on the act too.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by bradshaw at 20:51, 30th September 2018 |
Have just come across this
http://www.srpublicity.co.uk/brs/brs20.htm
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Timmer at 06:27, 1st October 2018 |
Then, in the 1980s, there were the ‘Network Days’ and the Persil voucher scheme, exchanging them for rail tickets,
Didn't Kellogg's get in on the act too.
In the early days of privatisation a number of newspapers did some great rail travel offers. Not needed so much now with trains running at almost capacity or beyond more often than not.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by CyclingSid at 07:28, 1st October 2018 |
Looking at the collection of railcards, I did think when I renewed this year that the person on the cover looked remarkably well preserved. I obviously wouldn't tick the boxes as a male equivalent (the wrinkles, let alone the fungus)
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by eightf48544 at 15:51, 1st October 2018 |
I've just been on 2 of the Modern Equivalents of the Merrymakers from Slough to Fishguard and Telford both from Slough by UK Railtours. Fare and dining probably more expensive than the Merry Makers.
Also note in ticket display is a Mystery Tour. Went on one once from Slough to Coventry in a 9 car 117 went out via Worcester and up Lickey Incline.
Also another one, not sure if was a Mystery Tour or an Excursion to York from Slough which went via Bordsley to Derby and then up the Midland Mainline from Sheffield via Normanton and Castleford to York. Now severed as through route. Can't remember stock.
Then, in the 1980s, there were the ‘Network Days’ and the Persil voucher scheme, exchanging them for rail tickets,
Network Days were great. Chasing the remaining loco hauled starting off with the Cross Country from ? via Slough to Dover getting off at Bromley South. Then Liverpool Street Cambridge/ Colchester, Lewes to Milton Keynes, Milton Keynes back to Euston, Cross country via Reading. On the final one chasing 50's on the Exeter's. The latter trains were packed and the drivers entered into the spirit of the thing by thrashing them.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by martyjon at 16:56, 1st October 2018 |
Went on many a Mystery Tour from Bristol which were ushered by a lovely person, a Cyril Saunders, and very popular they were and August Bank Holiday trips had a duplicate running, on one occasion the destination was Eastbourne and there were 4 trains run from Bristol that day.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 07:21, 3rd July 2024 |
I suspect the problem is more that the Minehead is too far south to count, especially if Labour get in - wealthy and pampered enough already aren't we?
I thought that Butlins was a favoured holiday destination for the less well off.
As a resident of Minehead, I would not consider the area to be pampered or well off.
Average living standards could be improved by a decent all year round train service as this would facilitate employment without driving.
As a resident of Minehead, I would not consider the area to be pampered or well off.
Average living standards could be improved by a decent all year round train service as this would facilitate employment without driving.
An opportunity for a VERY silly idea ... using open access rules, a service from Nuneaton (or Tamworth, Lichfield or Leicester) via Coventry, Leamington Spa, Oxford, Swindon, Westbury and Taunton to Minehead, perhaps with package holidays being offered to include travel, accommodation and entertainment from East and West Midlands cities, the North West, North East and Scottish Lowlands.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by broadgage at 09:16, 3rd July 2024 |
Not silly at all. IMHO a package holiday at Butlins, including rail travel from a selection of major UK cities could be popular. And much greener than driving or flying.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by GBM at 12:18, 3rd July 2024 |
Not silly at all. IMHO a package holiday at Butlins, including rail travel from a selection of major UK cities could be popular. And much greener than driving or flying.
Ah yes. Golden Rail holidays https://trainstobeyond.com/2017/08/02/1974-uk-golden-rail/Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 14:46, 3rd July 2024 |
Not silly at all. IMHO a package holiday at Butlins, including rail travel from a selection of major UK cities could be popular. And much greener than driving or flying.
Ah yes. Golden Rail holidays https://trainstobeyond.com/2017/08/02/1974-uk-golden-rail/Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 15:39, 3rd July 2024 |
Whilst I would hesitate to say there is no market for such a thing, it would need to have very active support from both Butlins and the operator(s) of the Minehead line, and quite possibly a financial contribution from the former.
Is that level of support likely?
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 16:32, 3rd July 2024 |
Whilst I would hesitate to say there is no market for such a thing, it would need to have very active support from both Butlins and the operator(s) of the Minehead line, and quite possibly a financial contribution from the former.
Is that level of support likely?
Is that level of support likely?
Ah - and that leads me to wonder how busy Butlins is / what sort of availability they would have for - say - 300 to 400 more guests turning up on a train, twice a week, week in week out. If that's say 2x100 rooms at £500 per room, income £100,000 for a week. Food - say £20 per person per day - another £50,000 income per week.
The $64,000 question - would those rooms be available? No need for the train (in fact it would be silly to market it) if there were no availability.
Edit to add - stated capacity of Butlins (Minehead) is 7,500
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 17:24, 3rd July 2024 |
I can't believe that this forum is the first to come up with this idea....??
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 17:39, 3rd July 2024 |
I can't believe that this forum is the first to come up with this idea....??
Neither can I, Chris ... but it just twigged when someone mentioned "Golden Rail" and various pieces fitted together. which does NOT mean that the whole picture would.
Of course, not first - similar was done 55 years ago / note the Golden Rail brochure with Butlins on the cover. And I can recall catching a train with my parents Paddington to Minehead, hauled by a Hymek, all the way to Minehead, but we stayed in a B&B.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by johnneyw at 21:57, 3rd July 2024 |
Not silly at all. IMHO a package holiday at Butlins, including rail travel from a selection of major UK cities could be popular. And much greener than driving or flying.
Ah yes. Golden Rail holidays https://trainstobeyond.com/2017/08/02/1974-uk-golden-rail/That brought back memories of a Golden Rail family holiday to Newquay in Cornwall around about 1970/1. I recall that the railway journey from Bristol curiously o nly took us as far as St Austell from where a taxi took us to our hotel in Newquay and vice versa for the journey home.
Mods, perhaps you might wish to move this post to the Golden Rail thread that Grahame started yesterday.
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Mark A at 22:45, 3rd July 2024 |
Totally offtopic, only Wednesday... it's been an 'Interesting' week - mods please ban me: but it's the mention of Newquay that's to blame.
I can date the following to winter 1977-1978 as I recall pondering the possibilities while walking up Galley Hill Road*, Swanscombe, to the railway station there on a trip home from work.
BR at that time were advertising... were they called 'Merrymakers'?... a winter day trip from Paddington to Newquay, £2.50.
I didn't manage to buy a ticket before it sold out, and to this day have not been to Newquay.
So, on to the station. Swanscombe... the up side platform deep in its frostbitten cutting had precious little lighting but it did have a small enclosed waiting room with a one-bar radiant wall-mounted electric fire on a timeswitch. Press the button = a few minutes glorious and effective warmth.
Eventually the train, complete with compartmented passenger accommodation would arrive with a fizz from its shoes, and a glow of 'Nice but dim' incandescent bulbs, its interior slightly warm by that time of day - but less so for early starters on winter mornings, as the stock used to arrive well chilled, the occasional pause on the journey punctuated by the ticking of various metal components as they warmed (or cooled).
Also, that strange pungent upholstery-and-brake-dust smell, the fishnet weave of the luggage racks (that a few years later would save my life) the cement works pollution-etched and uncleanable windows, and that strange jugger-jugger-jugger noise that would start up at random intervals from beneath the carriages, even breaking the silence when the train was held at signals, both the sound and the timing of its appearance a complete mystery to many people.
All a far cry from the Western Region, let alone present-day GWR-land, but those trains... in some distant part of Kent, across windswept marshes and on moonless nights perhaps they're running still.
Mark
* Checking the location, Google maps has that road marked as closed - it is carried on a strip of chalk left when all around has been quarried - and now has a substantial bridge over the Channel Tunnel Rail Link for good measure. All this too much for the geology, and something has gone terribly wrong. If doing the commute now, how I'd get to work I don't know.
https://www.kent.gov.uk/roads-and-travel/road-projects/in-progress-road-projects/galley-hill-road#tab-1
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 07:05, 4th July 2024 |
Wonderful memories - which I share. Worthy, perhaps, of a topic split.
Merrymakers - oh yes. http://www.passenger.chat/2016
Kentish trains ... 4EPB, 4CEP and 2HAP
Re: Merrymaker - 1970 excursions, Percy Danks - merged posts, ongoing discussion Posted by Mark A at 12:49, 4th July 2024 |
Thanks for the link to that thread: good stuff in there, including one complete sidesplitter on the topic of merrymaker mystery destinations, I'm still giggling.
Mark